akrate69

Agreed, and most likely we're getting an upgraded version. Were any restored or re-mastered before being placed on some other movie's dvd as an extra?


While searching for the 8 titles above, I also found another 9 (Bugs) from other movies that "are" already on the Golden Collection series. I wouldn't have minded a separate release for those 17 shorts in one collection (maybe even a few more, as I likely didn't find them all). That would've given us 17 Bugs replacements on the Golden Collection Volumes.

Buttmunker

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Bug...er-Stars/13476

looks like they've been delayed until August! So much for April.

One of the reasons could be that they're changing (yet again) the contents.

dvd-4-life

Hopefully they will have time to throw Foghorn Leghorn into the mix.

Texan26

More news on why it was delayed: http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Bug...VD-Plans/13534

Looks like there will also be two more releases in November consisting of Foghorn Leghorn and Porky Pig.

grundle

The post-1953 cartoons are matted at the top and bottom:


http://forums.goldenagecartoons.com/...ad.php?t=15157

Posted by Jughead Jones

Today I received my Looney Tunes Super Stars dvd's. I don't know whether or not this is news but all of the cartoons are presented in widescreen except for the following:

Bugs -

*Mutiny on the Bunny

*Bushy Hare

* Hare We Go

*Foxy by Proxy

* Hare Trimmed

Daffy -

*Tick Tock Tuckered

*Nasty Quacks

*Daffy Dilly

*Wise Quackers

*The Prize Pest

milo bloom

We've known for a while that a lot of animation was animated full-frame but intended to be matted for theatrical presentations. It's not really a surprise to see these like this. I've even used my zoom function on my WS set on broadcast versions of Looney Tunes stuff in the past to see what it looks like, and it's not too terrible. I'd like to see some more screengrabs before I pass final judgement on them.

Though I find it a bit aggravating that they'll go widescreen for this but not the first season of the Dini-Timm Justice League

mdnitoil

Just grabbed mine. Haven't cracked them open yet but, let's face it, regardless of whether I like it or not, this is the only way I'm going to get them. With widescreen TV becoming the norm, Warner will use any excuse they can to present as many as they can 16x9. Just be glad they went full frame for the pre '53.

ericmylad

I preordered these months ago on Amazon and just got an email saying they won't ship until end of the week/early next week. Guess their shipment got delayed. Oh well, after the long wait it took just to get these released in the 1st place, what's a few more days???

slop101

It may have been late across the board as I couldn't find them at Target or Best Buy today.

mdnitoil

They're at neither place. So far they are only showing up at Walmarts and Sam's Clubs. I got them at Sam's for 13.88 each.

ericmylad

UPDATE: Just got shipping confirmation emails for both DVD's from Amazon. Must have gotten their stock in sooner than expected.

BrandonJF

It must've been some particular warehouse issue. Amazon shipped mine last Friday and it was one of the rate cases where I got something from Amazon the day before street date.

Red Dog

Haven't read through the whole thread, but are any of the shorts on these duplicates from the GCs?

mdnitoil

No dupes, all new. In November there will be a Foghorn Leghorn disc and a Tweety and Sylvester. The Foghorn will be all new, the Tweety will be all repeats.

Red Dog

Thanks. The Foghorn Leghorn news is awesome. My favorite outside Daffy and there is a dearth of Foghorn shorts on the GCs.

darkhawk

Hopefully Warner does like Disney. Disney released their censored animated ones with no edits.

jgido759

What they should do with these, actually, is release them ALL as one collection and those that could/would find them offensive could refrain from making the purchase. Don't see that happening, though.

grundle

http://www.thadkomorowski.com/?p=4263

Frustrating and Fowl

There has been a minor furor over the presentation of twenty Warner Bros. cartoons that were released this week on DVD for the first time, on the Looney Tunes Super Stars discs Bugs Bunny: Hare Extraordinaire and Daffy Duck: Frustrated Fowl. The ten cartoons released before 1954 that are included look absolutely gorgeous; among them are Frank Tashlin’s Nasty Quacks, easily one of the top ten cartoons ever made, and Hare Trimmed, which features some of the most beautiful Virgil Ross animation of Bugs Bunny ever done.

What’s soured people on the 1954 and onward cartoons is that they have been presented in “widescreen”. Warner Home Video has peddled the line: “they were matted in theaters, so this is how they were originally seen”. Others have said, “they were making them with widescreen in mind.” These statements are disingenuous at best, ignoring the fact that not all theaters that ran these cartoons matted them.

Matting was also used to cover up gaffs in the production in live-action. When you watch North By Northwest, an expensive MGM thriller, open-matte, you will often see boom-mikes and set-lights. It would have worked the same way for these cartoons; in the full-frame versions we’ve been seeing for years, we would be seeing codes at the bottom of the cels, held feet wouldn’t have been shot, etc. If Chuck Jones, Friz Freleng, and Bob McKimson were making these cartoons with widescreen in mind, they weren’t aware of it themselves.

Below are some screenshots, comparing the new releases with older ones.













Half of Elmer missing… just as Bob McKimson intended…




If that didn’t convince you that these presentations are an abomination, you’re hopeless. Let me add too that a great number of 1946-1953 Warner cartoons were reissued to theaters well into the late 1960s. And those were definitely matted at one time or another too. There was no art or method to this whatsoever. They only formatted the titles to work in widescreen because they needed to have all the copyright and credit information in the picture by law. Why does nobody seem to understand this?

It’s probably not worth getting riled up about. The cartoons were restored full-frame and will likely be presented as such in a future Looney Tunes box set. Most of the affected cartoons are those you probably won’t be watching again even if they were presented correctly. (How many times can you do the same dynamite jokes?) What is bothersome is the distortion of history that’s being done by people defending a move made by a bloated corporation to cater to Blu-Ray/plasma screen whores who stretch the picture on anything horizontally, whether it’s Citizen Kane or All in the Family.

In good conscience, I cannot recommend these DVDs to anyone, unless you’re desperate enough to immediately get the properly restored cartoons, which do look outstanding.

E-Z-B

Why does this sort of thing always seem to happen?

mdnitoil

Well, Jerry Beck said on Stu's show last week that the future of Looney Tunes was the Warner Archive, so you can kiss goodbye any idea of some future set fixing these. Unless of course expensive, burnt, single-layer discs is your idea of a fix.

rmw650

I'm stil trying to figure out why WB is making the Tweety and Sylvester DVD coming out in November an all-repeat DVD. That makes no sense at all, while Foghorn will be all new episodes. WB still has time to clear up this mess. I can't find the Bugs or Daffy ones anywhere.

Buttmunker

The only regret I'll have in not buying the "Tweety and Sylvester" is that it'll probably contain ONE unreleased short - the one where Tweety drinks Dr. Jeckyll's formula and turns into a giant Hyde Tweety. But I'll get over that, since "Tweety and Sylvester" are really just a one-trick pony (much like "Coyote & Roadrunner," although I get more laughs out of them). So I don't care.

As far as Foghorn...if they had released the new DVD with repeats, it would be a short disc, since they only released, like, 3.

Red Dog

I think that's the only good Tweety short. I like Sylvester in the non-Tweety shorts. And the RR cartoons are much more entertaining than T&S IMO.

davidh777

+1

+1

Trevor

^ +2 x2

It's a shame they won't do that, think it would sell really well.