I agree. People can be pretty militant in their opinions and downright disrespectful, and colorizing films seems to be one of the biggest hot buttons there is on the movie boards. I'd like to think that I'm pretty fair-minded about it and I really thought LEGEND FILMS had came up with the perfect solution with their releases with both colorized and BW restored versions offered in the same package but even THAT inflames the purist crowd. There is no winning this one with people like that...

Well said.

Film lovers get an option of color and original b&w and their glass is still half-empty. Go figure.

I'd even go so far to say that seeing a film in color can open up thematic ideas that just don't come through in b&w. Not making it better, but giving a different perspective. For example, I watched SHE in color and the color sets up an interesting contrast between the living areas of the peasants and the golden themed residence of the queen.

Of those color shots the only one that looked good to me was the Donna Reed. It looks fairly natural, the other ones look obviously colorized. It's all in the skin, and it's too brown, too one-tone. In any goven shot it looks like there are no more than 10 colors being used. There's still a lot of improvements to be made, a lot.

Just shows you their original motivation was greed - not art.

Well, considering the cost of many Legend Films realises be based in the revenue of DVD sales for most editions, I can preume the technology and work are based on the budget limitation. Like TV productions need to use lower quality and faster CGI graphic, if compared to blockbusters.
Perhaps they could colorize with many more details, but it would increase the cost. Like the Shirley Temple movie Captain January, where some detais wasn't colorized, like the lines between the blocks. Go figure.

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The real blocks wall probably had the line division with different colors, and the blocks itself more variety of colors, while the colorized image each given tone in the blocks have a defined colors, like the darke portions a color, the mildtones another and the higlights other. So this color spectruns (few variation of colors following the grayscale) is practically the same to all blocks. With more budget they could split the blocks wal in several pieces and add more color variances or some blocks with individual color, getting closer to what would be a real block wall.
Loom the pants of Shirley in the capture.There is a small color bleeding in the right and left side near to the waistline. Blue scaping the pant in right side, and yellow invading the pant on the left side.
Other thing that was intrigant was the color in a steady scenes, where a stead object (small statue) got color fluctuations, like the color invading and moving along the statue details. If was steady the color shpuld get firm, since the statue wasn't moving in geometry or along the frame, so the algorithm should work easily there. Maybe was operator mistake in the chouse of algorithm.

They could also split the skin in several sectors as I said before, getting different colors variances for cheeks, necks, chest, hands back.
The 3D estimation technology it's still crawling, and tooks time. 3D estimation would allow they to vwery effective add week reflex of color, like a face be in a position that the light source in one side be different than the other side light source., like someone imnperpective to the sun etc...

But Legend Film is in the right way. Improving the quality every year.
If they spent 40.000 dollars colorizing a films with this quality, I imagine what they could do with a budget of 500.000 dollars. MUCH MORE COLOR DETAILS AND 3D ESTIMATION...

99% of our society is pure captalism, even the churchs... Or bether saying, specially the churchs :-)
About art, I really doubty most directors would had made art for free.
Even Frank Capra would loved colorization if it would get hin $$$$$. He apparently only turned against colorization after got discharged from the project of It's a Wonderfull Life due the film be found in public domain.
All TV, movies, music, entertainment is captalism, and it's tolerated, despite of many crap, remix of oldy music, remakes withou essence... But just colorization got such critics.

Well folks, I wasn't ncessarilly refering about you, when I said people made severe critics about colorization but not about violence and sexual exploitation on TV and movies. I refered about the impression I got from internet. I went to forums to webpages, to review, and see variable films comentaries.

Along those internet surfing I see much more critics to colorization than for anything.

All review, forums or amazon.com selling pages have deep critics to colorization. But it's very rare to find critics about ultra-violence, sexual exploitation, in films or TV programs forums, reviews or product page comentaries.

So that's the impression I got.

Barry should make a colorization test. Something like colorize the opening and the ending scenes of The Wizard of Oz, which had those sequences in Kansas a B&W sepia tone. If the colors get well like in the Land of Oz scenes, would be quite interesthing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEEUehKXMM8

If we coud erase the memories of this film, from the mind of a anti colorization cinephile, and present the film for hin first as a B&W glossy & grain version, and after that present the original color film, claming it was a digitally enhanced restored and colorized with the latest technology, what would he say??

It's possible for hin to say: "This is a insult, and it's not like the original classic B&W with the strong glossy great silver shades. The colors are garish and too strong. Colorization should be forbiden."

In your world anti-colorization gets more press than those other issues?

I would say that people that use the word "retard" offensively create more controversy than anti-colorization.

You're missing my point. The only reason it's a problem is that you yourself keep insisting on posting the exact same information in each thread.

Can't you just let two of these threads die and only post new information in the most recent one? I just don't understand the logic. Are you so desperately afraid that somebody's not going to see all the other threads for this movie?

Dude - you kind of lost me with the "greedy evil church" analogy.

Sorry Ambassadaor. Here again... :-)

Continuing about the idea of colorizng Wizard of Oz with Legend films technology, to compare with the original technicolor, the following idea went to me:

If they colorized the Kansas scenes, or a segment of it, would be expansive and it probably wasn't shot with same make-up, ans the sets are different from the sts of Oz Land.
So we have two option.: Find a non used footage in B&W from the film and sent to Legend Films (which is impossible to single mortal like us), or get a quality photograph of the crew performing on the Oz Land sets.

See this great quality still took from the set:

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An here a nice video of this scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEfKX2CCJsU (fist 3 minutes)
The B&W still have good detais and good dynamic range, pretty similar to the video (bit dark and vivid). Practically a 2K resolution image.


So here the challenge.: Is Legend Films able to colorize the photography to look pretty like the scenes on the video of The Wizard of Oz?

I'm sure everyone is anxious about it.

If anybody have the lastest waner DVD, please make a screen capture of the respective scene as close as possible to that shot of this B&W still (shot buy a B&W still plate camera).

Can somebody close one of these threads?

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I'd vote for this one!

SNAP!

Do you have to double post in every Wonderful Life Thread?

And if you're going to "Challenge" Legend Films....why not e-mail them personally instead of dropping a big ass image here?

Dude! Quit with the multiple posts!

How about we close two of them since we already have 3.

you dim bulbs dont understand! colorization is the way to go! you censor my colors is unamerican!

So you're actively trying to piss people off...? How does this help your argument?

For God's sake, don't the moderators have any control over all these f-ing multiple threads? Or have they just given up reading all these colorization threads?

Anyone...?

I'M SORRY AMBASSADOR, AND FORSORRY VALEYARD TOO!

I'm not here to piss-off in anybody, let m put it clear. I just was trying to contribute with the discussion, and since there was 3 treads about this reralise, I felt I had to inform in all the 3, SINCE NOT EVERYONE WOULD REED ALL THE 3 TREADS.

THANKS FOR THE MODERATOR, BY HELPING A LOT BY MERGING THOSE 3 TREADS IN ONE!
WELL DONE :-)

I really doubt that anyone cares enough about colorizations (besides you) to need three threads to remind them.

Does anyboday remamber the film Pleasentiville???

The best use of colorization technology as FX for a film!

By the way, I'm kiding with color again...




Pleasantville was very hard to print well for theaters, since it's difficult to adjust color film footage prints to have a 100% look ob B&W. In color film stock, if you shot the picture of a pure B&W photographic paper image, the result when developed will bew yellowed a bit, or pushed to red or purple. Hard to get really close to pure B&W.
In Pleasantville the colors was mostly neutral, since the few characters in color wasn't suposed to have color source as sun, but just pure white light in almost all scenes. That's why I did this "Dorothy Pleasantiville" so pure in color.

PS : Dorothy shirt is not 100% white (or 100% B&W) cause, in this Pleasantiville-like shot, a girl from old farm times wasn't suposed to have modern bleach for washing machines :-)

I hope you enjoy...


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Pleasantville was not colorized, but rather grayscalized.