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Old 08-22-04 | 09:58 AM
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Is there a simple way to tell now if a DVD has full bitrate DTS before buying it?
Ask us. Simple.
Old 08-22-04 | 12:01 PM
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Re: full bitrate DTS?

Originally posted by DonnachaOne
Ask us. Simple.
Ok, how about the new Top Gun: CE due out in November?

Or these Superbits:
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
The Mask of Zorro
The Fifth Element
Lawrence of Arabia
Desperado


Or
T2: Extreme Edition
The Fellowship of the Ring: Extended Edition
The Two Towers: Extended Edition


I would guess that the LOTR Extended Editions have full bitrate DTS since Jackson went first class with everything else, but how about the others?

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Old 08-22-04 | 12:02 PM
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Old 08-22-04 | 12:16 PM
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Lizard,

None of those are full-bitrate, and the T2: XE doesn't even have DTS.
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My picks;

Saving Private Ryan
Gladiator
Master and Commander
Brotherhood of the Wolf Canadian SE
Bram Stokers Dracula Superbit
Hero R3 - Theatrical Edko DTS ES
The Hulk
Moulin Rouge
Twister
The Fast & the Furious
Pearl Harbor
Pitch Black
Reign of Fire
The Eagles - Hell Freezes Over
Diana Krall - Live in Paris
NIN - And all that could have been (DTS)
Santana - Supernatural Live
Starship Troopers Superbit
X-Men 1.5
Blade 2 (LFE)
U571 (LFE)
The Haunting (LFE)
Titan AE (LFE)
Jurassic Park (LFE)
Daredevil (LFE)
Old 08-22-04 | 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Bricks II
Lizard,

None of those are full-bitrate,
So, full bitrate just isn't used at all anymore? Is there a discernable difference between full and half bitrate? (I realize that I am stepping into a minefield of opinions by asking this question. But someone might have some concrete evidence one way or the other.)

and the T2: XE doesn't even have DTS.
You're right. It was the UE that had DTS, hence much gnashing of teeth from DTS fans when the XE came out with a much improved PQ but not DTS.
Old 08-22-04 | 03:48 PM
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the dts track during the car chase in the Rock criterion is way better than DD.
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Originally posted by lizard
So, full bitrate just isn't used at all anymore? Is there a discernable difference between full and half bitrate? (I realize that I am stepping into a minefield of opinions by asking this question. But someone might have some concrete evidence one way or the other.)

Here is a better list of what titles have full bitrate dts sountracks.

http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/adbarr/page6.html
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Great link, deluis.

As you said, Lizard, full-bitrate is rarely if ever used these days. As for any difference, if there is one, it is minor and some people may hear it, others won't, and some will hallucinate it.
Old 08-22-04 | 05:44 PM
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Thanks for the link, deluis.

Boy, some (IMO) crappy movies sure got the full bit-rate treatment.
Old 08-22-04 | 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by Bricks II
Great link, deluis.

As you said, Lizard, full-bitrate is rarely if ever used these days. As for any difference, if there is one, it is minor and some people may hear it, others won't, and some will hallucinate it.
Think that just about sums it up.
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Resident Evil.The gun Blast are very scary!LOTR is very good also!
Old 08-23-04 | 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by lizard
[B]So, full bitrate just isn't used at all anymore? Is there a discernable difference between full and half bitrate? (I realize that I am stepping into a minefield of opinions by asking this question. But someone might have some concrete evidence one way or the other.)B]
Well, it is a discussion that is opening a giant can of worms of opinions. I completely disagree with Briks II. I think there is a major audible difference between half and full bit rate DTS DVDs. It is the full bit rates that originally established DTS to be the far superior format in the early days. It is now the half bit rate discs that make it so the majority of the world can't tell the difference between DTS and Dolby Digital.

As with ALL audio quality discussions that happen in this forum, it is completely up to the equipment used by the person giving the opinion. I have been an advocate for some time now, that whenever anyone in this forum gives an opinion or review on a discs sound quality, they post their test system along with it. That way if they are using some $199 Sony HTIB system, the readers who know what they are talking about can pretty much discount their opinion as invalid.

As for me, I think there is a major difference between the two, but I have been working in the audio industry for many years and I personally have a $40,000+ home theater.
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On topic: after watching Master and Commander last night I think that I will use that one to demonstrate my HT to visitors.

Off topic: deluis, Thanks for the list, that was just what I was looking for.

Green Jello, I know this is a hard question to answer in words, but what is it about full and half bitrate DTS that differs when you listen to them on your system?
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Originally posted by Bricks II
Great link, deluis.

Originally posted by TomOpus
Thanks for the link, deluis.

Originally posted by lizard


Off topic: deluis, Thanks for the list, that was just what I was looking for.

You guys are welcome.
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Originally posted by lizard
Green Jello, I know this is a hard question to answer in words, but what is it about full and half bitrate DTS that differs when you listen to them on your system?
Simple. It's all about clarity and dynamic range. It is a lot like the difference that you get from various MP3 encodings. Listen to a 320 MP3 and then a 64 or whatever. I realize the technologies are very different, but the end result is somewhat the same. With the 1509 bps DTS discs, since the dynamic range is so much greater, you can really notice the difference in the quiet scenes. It might be psychoacoustics, but it also seems that the channel separation is cleaner.

Just to follow my own pleadings for this forum, here you go:

Denon 5803 (Used as a pre-amp/processor)
4x Bryston 4BSST 300Wx2 Amplifiers
Atlantic Technology 8200 THX System
Denon DVD-2900 DVD Player
Old 08-24-04 | 06:25 PM
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Thanks for that link! Now I may have to finally pick up Dante's Peak (always been a Volcano fan myself, and wished it had a DTS like DP).

Die Hard 2 sounds pretty good as well, but so far, nothing that I have experienced has come close to Twister.
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Originally posted by Green Jello

As with ALL audio quality discussions that happen in this forum, it is completely up to the equipment used by the person giving the opinion. I have been an advocate for some time now, that whenever anyone in this forum gives an opinion or review on a discs sound quality, they post their test system along with it. That way if they are using some $199 Sony HTIB system, the readers who know what they are talking about can pretty much discount their opinion as invalid.
True, and your equipment is excellent, beats mine in most ways. But don't forget that the MOST important issue is the recording job. DTS and DD LDs were generally well done individually and specifically to take advantage of the codecs. DVD, while higher quality as a medium, is hit and miss on the studios. So many are just mixed and then thrown onto discs with DTS and/or DD.
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My vote goes to Jurrasic Park. No other disc I've played has worked my system so hard or sounded so good.
Old 08-25-04 | 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Spiky
True, and your equipment is excellent, beats mine in most ways. But don't forget that the MOST important issue is the recording job. DTS and DD LDs were generally well done individually and specifically to take advantage of the codecs. DVD, while higher quality as a medium, is hit and miss on the studios. So many are just mixed and then thrown onto discs with DTS and/or DD.
Very true indeed.
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Well, it is a discussion that is opening a giant can of worms of opinions. I completely disagree with Briks II. I think there is a major audible difference between half and full bit rate DTS DVDs. It is the full bit rates that originally established DTS to be the far superior format in the early days. It is now the half bit rate discs that make it so the majority of the world can't tell the difference between DTS and Dolby Digital.

As with ALL audio quality discussions that happen in this forum, it is completely up to the equipment used by the person giving the opinion. I have been an advocate for some time now, that whenever anyone in this forum gives an opinion or review on a discs sound quality, they post their test system along with it. That way if they are using some $199 Sony HTIB system, the readers who know what they are talking about can pretty much discount their opinion as invalid.

As for me, I think there is a major difference between the two, but I have been working in the audio industry for many years and I personally have a $40,000+ home theater.
Can I come visit you the next time I head up the city? I'd love to hear what a 40K system sounds like!
Old 08-25-04 | 06:33 PM
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If you've got a powerful subwoofer, check out Titan AE. It will rearrange your furniture.
Yeah! I really enjoy this one.
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Originally posted by Green Jello
That way if they are using some $199 Sony HTIB system, the readers who know what they are talking about can pretty much discount their opinion as invalid.
Thanks for letting me know my opinion is considered invalid here.


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