Geez, most people complain when there's continuity errors. Hell, it's sort of a game to point out continuity errors in films and TV shows. But Star Wars purists apparently hate it while screaming, "I WANT THE ORIGINALS!!!"

Well tough shitskys. Han's shirt has been fixed. Deal with it.

In the "original version", Han gets frozen with his blue vest. When he get's unfrozen, he's just wearing his white shirt. What? Did the carbonite dissolve his blue vest?

Would you like it better if they painted a blue vest on Han in ROTJ to match the TESB scene?

Nope. Sorry been over that too many times, suffice to say that your comments bashing "whiners" doesn't have much credibility when the only thing you say to back up assertions is that YOU think the changes are for the better.

Its pretty funny that you get all defensive over my comments. Sure the shirt has been fixed. Whooppee dee doo. I didn't care when it wasn't fixed. I would prefer to have the original versions, continuity errors and all - because all those don't add up to the negatives of the Special and "Special K" versions that are now being released.

no mono no sale.

Well see, there you go again. You're using your opinion that the changes are negative to counter-act my opinion that the changes are good. Which brings us to the ol' saying, "Opinions are like assholes..."

So what I'm saying is, what makes your opinion worth more than mine and others' opinions who think that the changes are good?

You don't like them, but some do. So in the end, what effect is that going to have on the release of these "Special K" editions? Absolutely none. Well, that's not totally true. Some wil buy them and like them. Some will buy them and tolerrate them, while others like you will not buy them, or buy them and hate them.

No VHS noise, no sale.

Please shoot me for opening this thread thinking I'd read something informative or useful.

NO INSERT = NO $ALE!

Nothing at all. Which makes me wonder why you are labelling people's desire for the originals as "irrational". Seems almost like troll behavior to me.

Can you honestly not understand how there are people out there who LOVE these films, and would like to see them as they were originally presented for the first two decades -- without CGI effects, dialog changes, newly-filmed scenes that are poorly integrated, a new actors replacing old?

I think one of the reasons these discussions seem to go around in circles is attiudes like that. I completely and utterly respect that you enjoy these changes. In fact, I also support Lucas messing with them as much as he wants -- hell, some of them are kind of neat to watch. But -- and again, in the spirit that my opinion is valid too -- I also want to see the films as they existed before Lucas started revisionist thinking.

Nothing particularly irrational or hard to understand about that, is there?

Dude, it's a Star Wars thread! What did you expect?

Stupid question, but why is the fullscreen box gold and the widescreen box silver? I for one think the gold box would look amazing on my shelf, but there's no way I'm buying fullscreen. It also kinda hints to the average Joe that fullscreen is the way to go I guess (gold > silver). Who knows?




I dunno, the gold one looks so much cooler . And no, I am not an obsessive Star Wars fan, just a normal, basic movie/DVD fan.

I kinda wish the WS version was gold. So that I could display all 6 SW movies and the spines would match. Oh well.

I like the silver better personally.

Thats been the coloring scheme for the Star Wars films for a long time - I believe it started with the first release of the SE's - Silver were WS, and Gold were FS

actually I think the gold box is gaudy, but then again maybe its because it seems 98% of the sites who posted the art work when it first came out showed only the silver widescreen version so in my mind thats the way it should look and the gold is just too different.

eitherway I'm glad the version I want is in silver which imho looks much better.

Silver and Black also has more of an outer space feel to it.

If it bugs you so much, then just imagine that they're platinum. platinum > gold > silver.

no shit! bunch of crybabies in here. thanks for ruining this "information" thread!

Dont look at it like gold vs silver.. look at like gold vs platinum. Platinum > Gold.

Couldn't agree more. It is the critics who always throw the first barb. Why would the fans throw the first barb. It'd be like, "Yeah, I love the changes...screw the whiners!" No, it's more like, "Luca$ $uck$, release the originallllllsssss".

And really that's the extent of their arguement. No real discussion on why they don't like the changes, or why a few changes change the whole movie. Oh, I just love this argument..."I don't even recognize the films anymore...they're not Star Wars." Really? Han, Luke, Leia, Obiwan, and Vader aren't in them anymore? I don't see how adding a CG mouth to the Sarlac changes the story. I don't' see how sprucing up the Death Star battle at Yavin IV changes the story. I don't even see how Greedo getting a shot off changes the story.

The main problem here is that because these films were in the so-called unaltered state for what, 14-15 years for ROTJ, more for TESB and ANH, that people had them seared into their memories, much like John Kerry had Cambodia seared into his memory. (Sorry, cheap jab.) So for the sudden SE changes and the DVD changes, have had this, "doh, what was that?" effect.

Had these films been made today, and then an extended director's cut come out with all new digital effects just a few months later, would the outcry be much different? No one seemed to care about the extended cut of Ep. I on DVD (and it wasn't even really announced as such), or the always talked about TE and EE versions of the LOTR movies. But because these films were made way back when, changes to them seem sacrilege to some folks.

Then there's the up-coming George Lucas' director's cut THX 1138, which has undergone basically the same type of transformation that the Star Wars films have. Yet, very little complaining about that. Some people have, but not to the extent that the Star Wars films have generated.

On the whole thing about the changes and I hate to make a LOTR comparison, but at least both versions of the movie were released on DVD. Plus, the same goes for ET. At least Speilberg was considerate enough of the fans that grow up with the movie to make sure both versions were released. Even though he considers the new version the correct version. Sure you had the buy the new to get the old, but I don't have a poblem with that. I would happily buy the new version of Star Wars if it included the old.

Ah, yeah... right. Sure.

There has been plenty of discussion (both here and on other forums) about why people don't like the changes. Specific comments about how some changes interrupt the flow, change the editing for the worse, change the focus of a scene by putting CGI critters behind the main actors, etc. Just because you disagree, doesn't mean that the people don't have an argument.

If you look at Page 6 of this thread:

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...5&pagenumber=6

you'll see ckolchak discussing SE changes and explaining (in detail, with comparison pictures) why he doesn't like it. Your response?

You have someone right there trying to discuss the changes and why he doesn't like them... in a polite, detailed manner. No "Luca$ raped my childhood", no "SW sux and george is greedy". You responded to it by throwing one of those "barbs" you're talking about. Kinda negates your "My side is nice/the other side is mean and stupid" argument, huh?


Looking at that, I don't think it is fair for anyone to say that the "other side" has no argument... nor to imply that only one side is throwing barbs.

There is no discussion about it because no one has seen the movie. I believe there was a screening of it last night in one place. Wait till it hit DVDs. People have seen the 97 SEs, the screengrabs from the new DVDs and movie files of the important changes done in the Special K 2004 versions.

Yes. Let's see that quote where that was posted, and not in a jesting or sarcastic way. You won't find it, except for you - you keep making up imaginary quotes and attributing them to people.

There is plenty of discussion - you just choose to label it irrational. Over at the movie forum, there is a poll running about the changes on the Emperor and 70% like the original one better.

If the original version were released, there'd be "Lucas is a LIAR!!!" posts (because all the ads in 1995 said that year's thx remastered versions were the "last time to own the original trilogy")

The guy can't win either way.

Great. What does that prove? I am talking about the people that could comment on this board about it right now, which is close to zero at this point...because Mike said no one is talking about the changes in THX. Wait till the movie hits the theaters and the DVD rack, before claiming that no one is commentating on the changes.

Regardless of being "civil," apparently you guys missed the whole "no bitchin' about the changes" from the very first post. It doesn't really matter who started acting like an ass first, because it always comes down to someone whining and bitching about Lucas and the changes that eggs on people to retaliate, which this thread was trying to avoid. So i'd blame whoever started complaining again versus singling out Mike.

If anything, i am surprised i got to about page 8 before the complaining started heating up (about how you would price a special edition set with the originals).