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Old 05-03-04 | 04:16 AM
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I'm not nessassary negative, but I do think that we'd be better served by getting the complete stories out of the way first.

1) You have to admit that incomplete stories only have a draw to the HARD core fans. Joe-6 pack probably would go "Huh? We're only getting bits and pieces? No thanks!" - so it would probably be the worst selling set of the lot. Does the series need to take a hit like that right now?

2) Will all 26 years get out on DVD? As much as I'd like to hope so, I dont see that happening. Getting the missing episodes means that a full story wont get done.

3) That means City of Death gets pushed back THAT much futher. Completely unacceptable in my book - and since it's all about MY desires, thats what should count here.

The BBC *SHOULD* do the orphaned episodes, but not in place of one of the 'real' releases. Do it as a 6th disc for the year.
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I'd have to agree with El-Kabong. I would LOVE to see ALL of these incomplete stories but would rather all that time and effort be put into releasing more COMPLETE stories first (I'm pushing for a Trial of a Time Lord box set).

Would I buy these Missing Series DVDs? Hell yeah. Especially if they wrap something around them like the Hartnell and Troughton Years that were released on VHS back in the 90s. But MY first preference would be towards a complete, re-mastered story with tons of extras.

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Originally posted by El-Kabong
1) You have to admit that incomplete stories only have a draw to the HARD core fans. Joe-6 pack probably would go "Huh? We're only getting bits and pieces? No thanks!" - so it would probably be the worst selling set of the lot. Does the series need to take a hit like that right now?
Although I agree with you that complete stories would be a better use of resources, let's be honest, Joe Six Pack isn't going to touch any Doctor Who with a 10-foot barge pole, whether it's a complete Tom Baker story or orphaned Troughtons. Doctor Who is very much a "niche" title here in America, where the show's visibility has been in steady decline since Lionheart jacked up the syndication fees in the mid-to-late 1980s (only about six PBS stations in the entire country run the show now!).

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2) Will all 26 years get out on DVD? As much as I'd like to hope so, I dont see that happening. Getting the missing episodes means that a full story wont get done.
Like you, I have my doubts. It took 20 years to get the complete lot released on VHS. With the "next generation" disc format already visible on the horizon, I don't see the current DVD standard having the same longevity that VHS had. I'm sure "blu-ray" (or whatever) will overtake the current DVD standard long before we get a complete set of Dr. Who releases.

Of course, they're not releasing them as often as in times past, partly due to restoration work and partly, perhaps, because most fans already own the stories on video and 12 DVDs a year might seem risky to the Corporation. At peak popularity in the UK, you could look forward to two new releases every two months, so there would be 12 regular releases put out yearly.

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3) That means City of Death gets pushed back THAT much futher. Completely unacceptable in my book - and since it's all about MY desires, thats what should count here.
I could be proven wrong, but I suspect that City won't be really high on their priority list, as is was re-released on VHS just a couple of years ago. More likely, they'll do something that's currently out-of-print on VHS in the UK so as not to cannibilise their tape sales.

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The BBC *SHOULD* do the orphaned episodes, but not in place of one of the 'real' releases. Do it as a 6th disc for the year.
That, or wait a few years...
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You have to admit that incomplete stories only have a draw to the HARD core fans. Joe-6 pack probably would go "Huh? We're only getting bits and pieces? No thanks!" - so it would probably be the worst selling set of the lot. Does the series need to take a hit like that right now?
Until the new series brings in load of new fans (I hope) let's face it... Doctor Who is sold to a very few hardcore sci fi fans who remember the series from the 80's reruns on PBS. I really don't see how a missing episode collection will sell any more or less than say Curse of Fenric or Carnival of Monsters. In fact, if promoted right "never before boardcast in North America episodes from lost stories" or something like that, I bet it will sell the same, if not better than the normal releases.
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I know it's OT but I figured I'd post it anyways.

From Outpost Gallifrey:
Anthony Ainley
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Anthony Ainley, the long-admired actor and fan favorite who took over the role of the Doctor's archnemesis, the Master, in 1980 and played him opposite Tom Baker (in his last two stories, "The Keeper of Traken" and "Logopolis"), Peter Davison, Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy -- as well as with Jon Pertwee in "The Five Doctors" -- passed away on May 3 due to undisclosed causes, according to a surprise obituary in the Monday May 10 edition of the UK newspaper The Independent. Coming as a complete surprise to fandom, Outpost Gallifrey has learned that Mr. Ainley was in poor health for some time, having left the hospital for some medical treatment only days prior to the date of his passing as noted in the obituary. While the information had not been picked up yet by any other news media at press time, the official Doctor Who site is now reporting the information to be correct based on some queries put forth by the editors of Doctor Who Magazine.

Ainley was originally a featured guest star in the story "The Keeper of Traken," playing Nyssa's father Tremas, whose body was stolen by the Master (played in his decayed form by Geoffrey Beevers). Ainley took the role of the Master with flair and determination, resembling his predecessor Roger Delgado in appearance but also bringing his own theatrics and experience to the role. He appeared in numerous stories opposite later Doctors, including "Castrovalva," "Time Flight," "The King's Demons," "The Five Doctors," "Planet of Fire," "The Mark of the Rani" (opposite Kate O'Mara), "The Trial of a Time Lord" and "Survival." Ainley was also enlisted for the PC game "Destiny of the Doctors". He remained a fan favorite at conventions throughout the 1980's and 90's, and was constantly identified by fans and the public in the role of the moustache-twirling villain. He will be sorely missed by Doctor Who fandom.

The following is the full obituary in the Independent, with his birthdate noted as 1932; however, the IMDb notes it as 1937, though we believe the former date may be more accurate.

Anthony Ainley, actor: born London 20 August 1932; died Harrow, Middlesex 3 May 2004.

To generations of Doctor Who fans, Anthony Ainley will be remembered as the Master, the extra-terrestrial who "killed" their television hero. This ushered in the Time Lord's fifth incarnation, played by Peter Davison, after the eccentric Tom Baker's flamboyant years, which were regarded by some viewers as the sci-fi serial's high point.

For this, many did not forgive Ainley. He was also unfortunate to follow in the footsteps of the highly regarded Roger Delgado, who originally played the Master in the early 1970s but died in a car accident.

The Master was Moriarty to Doctor Who's Sherlock Holmes, the nemesis and renegade Time Lord who was once a friend but turned into his arch-enemy. He used his evil genius and ability to hypnotise lesser minds with a gaze in pursuit of his villainous schemes to gain power and destroy his former Time Lord Academy classmate. Like the Doctor, he could regenerate himself and change his appearance.

In a convoluted plot twist typical of science fiction, Ainley first appeared in 1981 as the widower Tremas, whose body was taken over by the Master on the planet Traken. Ainley portrayed the character alongside four incarnations of the Doctor, played by Tom Baker, Peter Davison, Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy, until the programme was dropped by the BBC in 1989.

Anthony Ainley was born in London, in 1932, into an acting dynasty. Anthony's father, Henry, was a star of note on the West End stage and in silent films, and his half-brother Richard was a stage and film star who appeared in Hollywood pictures. At the age of five, Anthony appeared uncredited as a boy in the wartime film drama The Foreman Went to France (1942), but he started his working life as an insurance clerk. When the pull of the stage was too much, he trained at Rada.

On screen, Ainley had small roles in films such as Naked Evil (1966), You Only Live Twice (1967), Inspector Clouseau (1968), Oh! What a Lovely War (1969) and the horror picture Satan's Skin (1970), but he enjoyed greater success on television.

He played Detective Sergeant Hunter in It's Dark Outside (1965), the second in a trilogy of series featuring William Mervyn as the acidic Chief Inspector Rose. Ainley joined the cast for its second run, replacing Keith Barron, who had acted Detective Sergeant Swift. (The programme also gave the singer Jackie Trent a No 1 hit with its theme song, "Where Are You Now (My Love)".)

Ainley later stayed on the right side of the law by starring as Clive Hawksworth in the popular comedy thriller Spyder's Web (1972), about a mysterious organisation that handled problems outside the brief of the police and MI5.

He switched to period drama to play Henry Sidney in Elizabeth R (1971), Lord Charles Gilmour in three episodes of Upstairs Downstairs (1973), Sir Mulberry Hawk in Nicholas Nickleby (1977) and Lord Carrington in Lillie (1978).

It was his role as the villainous Reverend Emilius in The Pallisers (1974) that led to Ainley's joining Doctor Who (1981-89). John Nathan-Turner, who had worked as production manager on the series based on Anthony Trollope's novels, remembered Ainley on taking over as producer of the BBC's long-running science-fiction serial, when he sought to bring back and re-cast the Master, complete with false beard.

The actor continued, on and off, through 10 Doctor Who stories and the 20th-anniversary special, Doctor Who: The Five Doctors (1983). In "Survival", the last in the final series, the Master confronted the Doctor in a climactic duel after luring him to an alien planet where he was being enslaved by the Cheetah People and turning into one himself - unusually not able to control his own fate. Ainley subsequently appeared as the Master in the Doctor Who: Destiny of the Doctors CD-Rom video game (1998) and was a regular at fan conventions.

For more than 30 years, the actor enjoyed playing for the London Theatres Cricket Club team, who knew him as an enigmatic opening batsman whose unstinting passion for the sport meant that he would even turn down jobs rather than miss a game. Ainley never married, saying he valued his independence too much. He once listed his unfulfilled ambition as "to play with Faye Dunaway".

I'm gonna go watch the Five Doctors now.....

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Old 05-11-04 | 09:12 AM
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I just heard about this last night. What sad, sad news.
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I'm surprised people are negative about a missing episodes set, perosnally, I'm thrilled, the 60's era is my favorite time of the show and some of those episodes are the best Doctor Who ever got... be they complete or not. the surviving episodes from Web of Fear, Evil of the Daleks, Abominable Snowmen, Faceless Ones, Dalek Masterplan... all cleaned up to DVD quality?? I'm excited. If I had to make a Doctor Who DVD wish list, a missing episode set is in my Top 5. Also, It would be a great release to time with the return of the new series on TV.
I'm also happy about the Orphans set. The newly discovered lost episode from Daleks Masterplan is the only existing episode I've never seen, so I'm very eager to see it. I can't say that I've seen every existing episode anymore. I'm not used to that. It just isn't natural.

When they announced the find, I hoped that they would release an expanded DVD version of Daleks - The Early Years. It was a VHS from the 90s had the orphaned Daleks episodes that existed at the time. But the Orphans set is such a better idea. Kudos go to whoever came up with the idea.

So I have no regrets about the Orphans set occupying a slot in this year's DVD schedule. My annoyance is more directed at The Visitation and The Leisure Hive. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy those stories and will buy them. But I was hoping City of Death would be on the schedule. Or at least Genesis of the Daleks, Inferno, or Terror of the Zygons. But I'll try to curb by complaining. I'm grateful that the show is being released and that the discs are brimming with entertaining extras.
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Just a reminder that "The Two Doctors" (6th Doctor : 1985) and "Curse of Fenric" (7th Doctor : 1989) comes out next Tuesday!

Both are two disk sets and LOADED with extras. Can't wait to get them.
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My god, I am so far behind on these releases. I need to get my priorities straight!
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Hmmmmmm.............hopefully I'll be able to pick them up this weekend.....if not, then i'll have to wait until Tuesday!!!

Anyways, I'm up to date on the DVD releases, but i'm just starting on the BF audios!

Didn't know what I was missing until now!!
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All three Top Threads have been updated (including the covers to the US September releases and the UK release of The Leisure Hive).

COMING SEPTEMBER 7, 2004!

The Fourth Doctor (Tom Baker)
Pyramids of Mars (1975)


The Fifth Doctor (Peter Davison)
Earthshock (1982)



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R1 releases

Will Warner Bros. release anymore DVD that arn't released anywhere else.(ie. the key to time) I'd love for the USA to release seperate stories than the UK. So we can get them twice as quick!!
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Re: R1 releases

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Will Warner Bros. release anymore DVD that arn't released anywhere else.(ie. the key to time) I'd love for the USA to release seperate stories than the UK. So we can get them twice as quick!!
IMO, I'd rather wait for full "Special Edition" releases cleaned up by the Restoration Team with tons of extras.

But that's just me.

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I won't be picking up the uncomplete stories. It's ok, I needed a break in buying these discs.

Curious about the boxset though...
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IMO, I'd rather wait for full "Special Edition" releases cleaned up by the Restoration Team with tons of extras.

But that's just me.
yeah, me too. I like the special editions loaded with extras, I'd rather wait. the Key to Time DVD's had lots of extras that could have been put on them but werent.

I won't be picking up the uncomplete stories.
I can't believe that some fans aren't interested in this... the surviving episodes from all time Who classics like Evil of the Daleks, Abominable Snowmen, Web of Fear, Dalek Masterplan, Crusades, Faceless Ones, Moonbase and others, plus rare existing clips, all cleaned up in DVD quality? personaly, it's a dream come true and I'd much rather have that than any complete story.

But thats just me.
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Originally posted by turborobb

I can't believe that some fans aren't interested in this... the surviving episodes from all time Who classics like Evil of the Daleks, Abominable Snowmen, Web of Fear, Dalek Masterplan, Crusades, Faceless Ones, Moonbase and others, plus rare existing clips, all cleaned up in DVD quality? personaly, it's a dream come true and I'd much rather have that than any complete story.

But thats just me.
I think it's great that the surviving episodes are being treated with such care and yes, I'll probably pick them up (Scratch that. I WILL be picking these up. I'm such a Who Whore). However, I think it's too soon for releases like this. There are so many classic Who stories that aren't on DVD yet. Those deserve release first. Then, later on down the road, by all means - release the Orphan Episodes.

I'd rather watch the complete Genesis of the Daleks or The War Games in all their restored glory than scattered episodes of The Faceless Ones.

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I think it's too soon for releases like this. There are so many classic Who stories that aren't on DVD yet. Those deserve release first. Then, later on down the road, by all means - release the Orphan Episodes.

I'd rather watch the complete Genesis of the Daleks or The War Games in all their restored glory than scattered episodes of The Faceless Ones.
Exactly, especially when you take into account the possibility (not likelyhood, but possibility) that at least a couple more orphaned episodes may turn up in the next few years. What if Tenth Planet 4 or the two missing Moonbase episodes turned up in a couple years. Wouldn't some of you guys feel cheated, having to buy the existing episodes all over again?

I think we should wait and be hopeful that more missing episodes may be discovered in the coming years.
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So I watched Curse of Fenrick today for the first time... I watched the Special Edition on the 2nd disc.

Wow, probably the best episode of Doctor Who I've seen in a long time. Really remarkable. I hope for more episodes like this.

personaly, it's a dream come true and I'd much rather have that than any complete story.
When the complete stories run out, I'll pick them up
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I just watched Two Doctors DVD, first time in years, and it's even better than I remembered it. IMO it's the 80's best Doctor Who story, the extras on the DVD are amazing, this is my favorite Doctor Who DVD so far! My two favorite Doctors. Curse of Fenric is excellent as well.

There are some rumors on one of the Doctor Who message boards that two of the DVDs next year will be Claws of Axos (3rd Doctor, Jon Pertwee) and Attack of the Cybermen (6th Doctor, Colin Baker)... again, it's just early rumors, so I don't know how true it is.

What if Tenth Planet 4 or the two missing Moonbase episodes turned up in a couple years. Wouldn't some of you guys feel cheated, having to buy the existing episodes all over again?
ummm, no, not really. This is a problem I pray we have in the future. Troughtons era is my all time favorite of Doctor Who, I love Abominable Snowmen, Evil of the Daleks, Web of Fear and those classics. I can't get those in DVD quality fast enough. If all the episodes of Faceless Ones turn up a year later, I'll be more then happy to buy it again.

also, I don't think the Tenth Planet episodes are going to be in the missing episodes collection because 3 of the 4 still exist it will get it's own single release. from what I read the stories where more than 50% of it exists will get it's own DVD.
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I understand that filming begins on the new series this month!

Hopefully when the new series air on TV they will put out more new releases than normal to ride the wave of popularity of the new series... is there is a wave.
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Hopefully when the new series air on TV they will put out more new releases than normal to ride the wave of popularity of the new series... if there is a wave.
I don't think we'd ever see a big increase in the number of "classic" Who being released, simply due to the time-consuming (but totally worth it) restoration being done to the stories. Maybe they could squeeze one or two more titles out a year, but not a lot more, unless they were to do a "Key to Time" and not do any restoration on some of them.

Personally, I prefer slow and remastered releases to quick and untouched ones.

As for a wave of popularity for "new" Who...frankly, I think the BBC missed the boat. The show's been off for so long that it's now become regarded as a poorly-made relic by the general British public, and a virtually unknown series in the USA (viewership in the States has been steadily decreasing since the late 1980s, when Lionheart started jacking up the fees. Only six PBS stations currently run the show). If it does succeeds or fails will most likely be 100% on its own merits (or lack thereof). Name recognition will not, IMO, help the show at all (in fact, it could harm it, due to the show's somewhat tarnished reputation amongst the British public-at-large).
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Originally posted by mythmaker18
I don't think we'd ever see a big increase in the number of "classic" Who being released, simply due to the time-consuming (but totally worth it) restoration being done to the stories. Maybe they could squeeze one or two more titles out a year, but not a lot more, unless they were to do a "Key to Time" and not do any restoration on some of them.
Actually the Restoration team has said that they could easly do more stories a year and not hurt the quality of the discs or the restoration. It's purely a marketing decision by BBC Worldwide to release the discs slowly.

The Key to Time didnt look as good because that indeed was a rush job, and it wasnt handled by the RT (well, not really - sort of.)

In regards to the "poorly-made relic" - it would the way the english public has embraced the show, it's anything but. I saw a tidbit from the production office saying that just about every actor in the UK had been asking about getting a part. The BBC has extreme confindance in the show, giving it a 5 year run and making it the cornerstone of their family programming.

It's a relic much like how the Next Generation launch in 1989 was a relic of the 15 year old Star Trek.

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I just blind bought "The Three Doctors" used at a video store near my house (4 bucks!). I own practically all of the Tom Baker discs. Will I enjoy this new pickup? It will be my first non-Tom Baker Dr. Who experience. Any thoughts?
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Well, Pertwee rocks as a Doctor and the supporting cast are all very strong - so no worries there. The interaction between Pat and Jon is some first rate stuff, some really classic moments. Sadly Bill Hartnell doesnt get much screen time due to his illness.

The story is rather average for the era. It doesnt suck, but it doesnt stand out of the crowd either. The restoration on the disc, is top notch as always.

In short - you cant go wrong for 4 bucks. There's at least 10 or 15 bucks worth of entertainment in there. You got quite the bargain!
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I just blind bought "The Three Doctors" used at a video store near my house (4 bucks!).
just to be clear.... was this VHS or DVD?

either way Three Doctors is a pretty good story... There are better 3rd Doctor Pertwee stories (like Sea Devils, Day of the Daleks, Inferno, ect.) but Three Doctors is great fun.


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