The Enterprise is pictured exactly as you remember her from the movies, huh?

I guess you don't remember very well, because that's the B on disc 2, not the A. The only movie it was in was Generations.

Anyway, I've decided for the next month to waste a bit of time at Best Buy and immediately return any disc that doesn't have an insert, since I'd expect the copy I picked up to be defective for missing one.

Then I'll get another copy and open that. No insert? Damn, one of these has to have an insert!

Maybe if the studios get enough returns on insert-less product they'll re-think their strategy.

I think this was meant to be sarcasm......

So the fact that the art work ISN'T from Star Trek VI doesn't bother you? That's good news, because I hear on the Collector's Edition of Generations, they're putting a picture of Jar Jar Binks on the bonus disc.

Jar Jar Binks .

The picture on the second disc is the Enterprise B?? It looks a hell of a lot like Excelsior to me.

Both are excelsior class ships but the actual Excelsior has a complete round bottom. The Enterprise B has "fins" on it.

My Amazon preorder says that this disc won't ship for 2 - 3 weeks...checked DVD Empire and it says it releases on 2/3. Low inventory at the internet sites or is there a fix in the works? Anyone know what's up? Thanks!

Actually, no, it doesn't bother me a bit. I wouldn't even have noticed it were it not for someone pointing it out to me. Who knows, it might even make the disc a more valuable collectors item 50 years from now.

Just about the only time I notice art work on a disc is when the graphics match up with the background art on the keep-case. In that case I'll mumble to myself, "Well, isn't that special," as I turn the disc so it lines up with the background. Otherwise the art is merely a two-second visual stimulus while the disc is being transfered from the keep-case to the dvd player. Seriously, the art on a disc is the least important aspect of a dvd to me.

I was going to bring up that BOTH the art work AND the lettering on the first disc are upside-down but that would be carrying it a bit too far. Since I respect that some of you really are serious about the art on the disc, I'll leave it at that.

I highly doubt it, they will just see you as a bit of a nutcase. And you will find you will reach a point where they will stop changing it anyway because it is not supposed to have an insert, and that's Paramounts decision, not the store.

Several modifications were made to the Excelsior filming model when it became the Enterprise-B. Two of said modifications were a “protrusion” around the front of the secondary hull, and an illuminated blue “ram-scoop” at the front of the warp nacelles. Both of these details can be seen in the photo on the disc.

Excelsior:



Enterprise-B:

I can't believe how hard it is for some of you to realize some of the users here have different concerns about their DVDs. If you don't care about inserts and/or packaging, why butt in and tell everyone how "unreasonable" they are? It's almost like people who actually take some interest in DVD on the forum have to explain their actions and "bizarre" thinking to someone on -every- single thread. Be critical of your DVDs, not each other.

Some people here are DVD purists, they want their DVD to be exactly as it was intended -- content, packaging, insert, etc.

Really? You mean movie companies make DVDs and not stores?

In trying to be a wise-ass by pointing out the blinkingly obvious, you're missing the point.

Let's say you're Paramount. You release one disc that has a normal number of returns. Then you release another disc that has 25% more returns.

You'd probably look at the differences in the discs. Was there a manufacturing error? Was it because of the faulty artwork? Gee, maybe it was because one disc didn't have an insert and the other one did.

I got the idea while at a Walmart where the woman in front of me was returning her copy of "Hulk" because it didn't have "the booklet." I was also returning a DVD (for a different reason) and while I knew that "Hulk" didn't come with an insert everyone in the store "knew" that "every DVD comes with a booklet."

So they went through all that the store had on hand (four or five copies) and of course no insert. So instead of taking one of the copies they had, she got her money back so she could go try another store.

If everyone did that, every DVD *would* come with an insert, just like they did in 2001.

P.S. Stores will *never* reach a point where they'll stop allowing you to return a product. They'd get hella-sued if they did.

"Sorry, you've returned too many products."

Since some are apparently missing your sarcastic joke, I wish you had brought that up...

*cough* GEEK! *cough*

No, I didn't bring it up because even though I laugh at the absurdities of live, I have come to realize that Trekkies and DVD purists have no sense of humor.

OK, lets take your various points - first of all you are assuming they will sell less discs because they have no inserts - how do you know this? I believe that the sort of people that would return a disc for that reason are a very small minority. Whether you agree with it or not , you are going to have to get used to the fact that some DVD's will not come with inserts.

I find it very odd that any store would entertain the idea or allowing a customer to return a DVD and actually give money back because of no insert. Surely the store would ascertain if the film was supposed to have an insert, and if not - no refund. Possibly a credit note or a swap, but why should they refund money on something that is not actually faulty or substandard or indeed actually OFFICIALLY missing anything?

I also think if they did let you swap it for another one, and you kept returning it because it had no insert, sheer common sense would tell them that it's a futile excercise for both you and them - you are returning the same disc over and over and you don't think they are going to query it? Gotta get real...

Hellasued? Not in this case. If I were a store owner and someone returned a DVD with no insert, and it was not supposed to have one - then the store are in no way bound to refund or change it. I would think you would have to argue that they are at fault, or are being unreasonable.
Take it up with Paramount, sure - but the stores are not responsible. You're just pissing off the wrong people, dude.

My problem with no insert on this thing is that

(a) All of the other ones in this line have an insert
(b) This supposedly a special edition, whatever that means nowadays
(c) This is already a double-dip, at least you can do fans a favor by giving them an insert.

Word, chanster. Word.

chanster has condensed the issue into its most reasonable points.

Tell it.

Got mine -- white case (from DDD) and of course, no insert.

I like the content of the DVD -- I enjoyed the De Kelley tribute and the Soviet Union piece. But I have to say this release was a really sloppy effort from Paramount. The upside down picture on disc 2 -- with a picture from a different movie! -- and the lack of an insert spell sloppiness.

While I am on the subject, something I would really like to see on all discs (on the insert, if there is one) is running times for the extras. When I click on a featurette, I have no idea how long it will be, so I don't know whether I'll have time to see the whole thing. It would be very convenient to have a sheet that listed the extras with times next to them. For example, "Interview with Bill Shatner" (12:08) and so on.

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Originally posted by DrOBoogie1
While I am on the subject, something I would really like to see on all discs (on the insert, if there is one) is running times for the extras. When I click on a featurette, I have no idea how long it will be, so I don't know whether I'll have time to see the whole thing. It would be very convenient to have a sheet that listed the extras with times next to them. For example, "Interview with Bill Shatner" (12:08) and so on.

Yeah, similar to what Finding Nemo did...

Why is this thread still open? BTW, the copies I saw at Walmart were in a silver case. I saw no white cases.

You're talking about the slicks not the cases. All slicks are silver. The box the DVD comes in, however, is either white or black...and seems to be white at most places.

I have yet to see one in a white case at any B&M. Maybe somebody should start a poll to see if there are more white than black as you have observed.

My ST VI case was bliggity-bliggity-black, yo.