Biggest Batman News in Decades
#127
DVD Talk Legend
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I'll read Batman till I die. I've seen it all come and go. No one creator is going to force me off, and despite drama behind #50, I still like King's writing.
#128
DVD Talk Hero
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King has had his ups and downs on Batman. Some of it good, some of it not so good. I'm not forsaking Batman or anything, merely taking a break from the book for awhile.
#129
DVD Talk Legend
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Lee and Dido on #50
Spoiler for length
Spoiler for length
Spoiler:
#130
DVD Talk Hero
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I understand what they're trying to say, I just think they're saying it the wrong way. Especially this:
So basically sorry, not sorry. Sorry you felt that way, but I doubt we'll do anything differently next time because you should know better than to expect any kind of truth in advertising. Plus sales are great!
I'm not sure what it says about Jim Lee that he didn't even realize Reed and Sue got married in that issue.
DiDio: Yeah, I mean, I have a couple opinions on that. You asked about us taking the audience for granted; actually, if you want to be perfectly honest, I think the audience took the story for granted. For me, it’s about the journey. To explore the issues in the story.
I'm not sure what it says about Jim Lee that he didn't even realize Reed and Sue got married in that issue.
#131
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I know that and I've read maybe...two issues of Fantastic Four my whole life. Marvel is known for marriages like Reed Richards/Sue Storm, Peter Parker/Mary Jane, and Cyclopes/Jean Grey. Plus, Jim Lee wrote and illustrated Heroes Reborn Fantastic Four.
Maybe Jim Lee is continuing with the play-dumb-defense because it's worked for him in the past. Supposedly he had no idea Alan Moore and DC had a falling out when he sold Wildstorm and ABC Comics to DC.
He mentions surprise that readers didn't anticipate that Batman and Catwoman might not get married and cites "fighting to the death" storylines from the 60s and 70s where the main character might die, but doesn't.
Nevermind that the biggest storylines since the 80s actually follow through with these things, complete with a big media promotional event:
Spider-man getting married in the comics and comic strip, and even had a live-action tie in at Shea Stadium.
Superman really died in Superman #75, and came packaged with a black arm band.
Batman really got his back broken at the end of the Knightfall storyline.
Superman really did get married to Lois Lane.
Jim Lee thinks comic readers are stupid.
Originally Posted by Dan DiDio
actually, if you want to be perfectly honest, I think the audience took the story for granted. For me, it’s about the journey. To explore the issues in the story.
I get the journey-IS-the-destination thing. But when you hype this particular story ending a certain way, not following through distracts from the so-called journey.
If it was about the journey, focus on the journey, and not the destination that never arrives.
We’re not as interested in a married Batman. We’re interested in a story about a Batman who is anticipating being married, trying to live a normal life.
But the reality is, married Batman is an Elseworlds Batman, to me. You know? They did that in Earth-2. We’ve done these stories. And people who anticipated that all said the same thing.
Did you really think Superman was going to stay dead after Superman #75? Where’s the challenge there?
#132
DVD Talk Legend
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IMO Dido has been a real dumb ass since day one. DC would be a lot better with him working at Cinnabon instead.
#133
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#134
DVD Talk Hero
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I'd say in both Superman's death and Batman's broken back, the better stories were not the journey there but the journey afterwards. I'm not sure either holds up but the Reign of the Supermen and Knightfall were, at the time, great. That's the big difference here, the event happened and then the fallout is dealt with. Maybe readers are interested in a married Batman and how he deals with that.
Now maybe King deals with the fallout of this failed marriage in a great way. In fact, I'm almost certain he does, and I'm even more sure Joelle Jones will do a great job on Catwoman. But if the readers are ticked off, they won't read it. If Superman nearly died by Doomsday, I doubt people would read about him dealing with his own mortality.
I recall they did some of this same garbage with Green Arrow and Black Canary (who had a wedding special), except somehow they actually got married later and then split up because of that horrid Cry for Justice mini fallout. But nobody was reading DC at the time so nobody cared, and then they retconned it for new 52.
Now maybe King deals with the fallout of this failed marriage in a great way. In fact, I'm almost certain he does, and I'm even more sure Joelle Jones will do a great job on Catwoman. But if the readers are ticked off, they won't read it. If Superman nearly died by Doomsday, I doubt people would read about him dealing with his own mortality.
I recall they did some of this same garbage with Green Arrow and Black Canary (who had a wedding special), except somehow they actually got married later and then split up because of that horrid Cry for Justice mini fallout. But nobody was reading DC at the time so nobody cared, and then they retconned it for new 52.
#135
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Lee and Didio are happy with #50 because they perhaps suggested the failed wedding in the first place. Going by scuttlebutt, Jim Lee and Dan Didio didn't like that DC fans really loved Rebirth, a new direction entirely spearheaded by Geoff Johns. It's why the minute Johns had to step away from DC comics to focus on Hollywood stuff, Bendis takes a wrecking ball to the past three years of Superman and we get this disastrous wedding stunt.
Jim Lee and Dan Didio were all in on the New 52 reboot. It was only as sales waned and corporate started getting antsy did that get dropped.
Jim Lee and Dan Didio were all in on the New 52 reboot. It was only as sales waned and corporate started getting antsy did that get dropped.
#136
DVD Talk Hero
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Lee and Didio are happy with #50 because they perhaps suggested the failed wedding in the first place. Going by scuttlebutt, Jim Lee and Dan Didio didn't like that DC fans really loved Rebirth, a new direction entirely spearheaded by Geoff Johns. It's why the minute Johns had to step away from DC comics to focus on Hollywood stuff, Bendis takes a wrecking ball to the past three years of Superman and we get this disastrous wedding stunt.
Jim Lee and Dan Didio were all in on the New 52 reboot. It was only as sales waned and corporate started getting antsy did that get dropped.
Jim Lee and Dan Didio were all in on the New 52 reboot. It was only as sales waned and corporate started getting antsy did that get dropped.
#137
DVD Talk Legend
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I met Tom King yesterday at a con. Super cool guy. He said the NYT was not supposed to spoil the issue and the writer contacted him directly and apologized.
#138
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Side note, how was the con? I saw that is mostly pop culture but I'm wondering to see if its worth going if you are mostly into comic books.
#140
DVD Talk Legend
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Yes, Heroes con is still 100% comics and you can rack up some crazy deals over a weekend.
Super was cool, I went last year as well, their first show in Raleigh. It is more pop stuff, there was only 5-6 comic dealers. But their comic guest list was great. King, Starlin, Grummett, DeMattis, Hama, David, Bachalo, Grell, Giffen, etc etc. I got a lot of great signatures.
Super was cool, I went last year as well, their first show in Raleigh. It is more pop stuff, there was only 5-6 comic dealers. But their comic guest list was great. King, Starlin, Grummett, DeMattis, Hama, David, Bachalo, Grell, Giffen, etc etc. I got a lot of great signatures.
#141
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I'm only reading collections and I've been happy with the last year or two of the Superman titles. What has Bendis done with "Superman"? (I don't mind spoilers).
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#142
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I didn't like them.
I only collected Knightfall because I thought it was going to be valuable like The Death of Superman issues. The art and story in those issues was mediocre in my opinion.
Once Knightquest started I checked out, and didn't come back to Batman till the very excellent and very atmospheric Kelley Jones and Doug Moench run.
Reign of the Supermen was okay, but I'll admit the gimmick was pretty smart. 4 different Superman-like characters starring in the Superman titles. We even got Superboy back.
#143
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Yes, Heroes con is still 100% comics and you can rack up some crazy deals over a weekend.
Super was cool, I went last year as well, their first show in Raleigh. It is more pop stuff, there was only 5-6 comic dealers. But their comic guest list was great. King, Starlin, Grummett, DeMattis, Hama, David, Bachalo, Grell, Giffen, etc etc. I got a lot of great signatures.
Super was cool, I went last year as well, their first show in Raleigh. It is more pop stuff, there was only 5-6 comic dealers. But their comic guest list was great. King, Starlin, Grummett, DeMattis, Hama, David, Bachalo, Grell, Giffen, etc etc. I got a lot of great signatures.
The reason there's only 5-6 comic book dealers at the Supercon is because Ultimate Comics threatened every dealer with banning them from NC Comic Con if they set up at the Supercon. Ultimate feels that the triangle is their territory and no one else besides them can set up shop.
Spoiler:
I've never understood Bendis appeal. Besides Alias and Ultimate Spider-Man, all his books have sucked. He took over on Guardians of the Galaxy and made them a boring ass team that was completely different in tone to the amazing Abnett and Lanning run that led to the awesome movies we've seen. He screwed the X-Men even more than anyone could imagine and then shitted on the Stark legacy by making Tony not be Howard and Maria's kid. I don't know why he's critically acclaimed cause he's writing is not good at all.
#144
DVD Talk Hero
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Well, I liked Bendis's Powers, and while it gets some hate I thought his run on New Avengers was fine, and he basically brought Luke Cage to some prominence. But after a while the dialogue gets a little samey, and yeah that Superman description looks like crap to me.
Oh and his Daredevil run was great as well.
Oh and his Daredevil run was great as well.
#145
DVD Talk Legend
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The reason there's only 5-6 comic book dealers at the Supercon is because Ultimate Comics threatened every dealer with banning them from NC Comic Con if they set up at the Supercon. Ultimate feels that the triangle is their territory and no one else besides them can set up shop.
Durham NCCC is OK, but is too big for that space they keep using, and its impossible to walk around in. Bull was decent this year I guess. I go, but neither one blows my skirt up.
Super brings in so many people though. More people this year were talking about Super then Heroes and certainly more than NCCC.
#146
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That's hilarious!
Durham NCCC is OK, but is too big for that space they keep using, and its impossible to walk around in. Bull was decent this year I guess. I go, but neither one blows my skirt up.
Super brings in so many people though. More people this year were talking about Super then Heroes and certainly more than NCCC.
Durham NCCC is OK, but is too big for that space they keep using, and its impossible to walk around in. Bull was decent this year I guess. I go, but neither one blows my skirt up.
Super brings in so many people though. More people this year were talking about Super then Heroes and certainly more than NCCC.
In my opinion, NC Comiccon has been getting worse and worse. Their spring show in Raleigh had too much space and was practically empty due to the lack of vendors. Their fall show in Durham had a better attendance this year due to Rob Liefeld being there, but other than that, it only had around 12-15 vendors and not a lot of notable guests. I know the ticket for both NC Comicons is too expensive for what they are and when you compare them to Heroescon or Supercon, but the lack of guests is also another hot topic. Many notable creators have told me that Ultimate Comics asked them 2 years ago to sign exclusivity contracts. Basically it was an all or nothing deal in which these creators were told that if they signed the contracts, they coouldn't go to any other show or store in NC for a calendar year. Basically, they would be exclusives to Ultimate Comics shows and stores, Greensboro Comic Con, a comic con in Winston-Salem, Arkham Comix, Saalefish Comics, and Acme Comics.
#147
DVD Talk Legend
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I'm just going to keep derailing here because this is a topic of interest for me. Its fascinating that Ultimate is trying to strong arm here in NC. Because both of their shows are average. That does explain why they have the same (average) guest every year.
I agree with the Spring show for NCCC. I almost left empty handed until I found a good dealer right before I left. Too much space there and not enough for the Fall show in Durham. I just checked ticket prices for the Fall. They really think they are big timing now.
I also went to Super last year for their first show, and on Saturday the line to get in was wrapped around all 4 sides of the convention center. NCCC has never had that problem. If I was a dealer, I’d tell them to fuck off and take the ban. So many more people attending Super.
Heroes is still my favorite, but they could learn a thing or two from Super. The market is changing and people want more pop in their cons. Plus I got many more comic sigs this weekend at Super then I did at Heroes last month. Heroes guest list was lacking in terms of big names and they seem to be going for quantity over quality.
Also the night life stuff that Super has, basically keeping the con going until 1, 2AM was great and a welcome change as well.
Attending Heroes and Super is a good 1,2 combo though, and covers a lot of current fandom.
My opinion of NCCC has taken a hit for sure.
I agree with the Spring show for NCCC. I almost left empty handed until I found a good dealer right before I left. Too much space there and not enough for the Fall show in Durham. I just checked ticket prices for the Fall. They really think they are big timing now.
I also went to Super last year for their first show, and on Saturday the line to get in was wrapped around all 4 sides of the convention center. NCCC has never had that problem. If I was a dealer, I’d tell them to fuck off and take the ban. So many more people attending Super.
Heroes is still my favorite, but they could learn a thing or two from Super. The market is changing and people want more pop in their cons. Plus I got many more comic sigs this weekend at Super then I did at Heroes last month. Heroes guest list was lacking in terms of big names and they seem to be going for quantity over quality.
Also the night life stuff that Super has, basically keeping the con going until 1, 2AM was great and a welcome change as well.
Attending Heroes and Super is a good 1,2 combo though, and covers a lot of current fandom.
My opinion of NCCC has taken a hit for sure.
#148
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Spoiler:
The art is good on the current Superman books.
Prepare yourself Bat fans - rumors also indicate Bendis may be given the main Bat book after Tom King's run ends.
#149
DVD Talk Hero
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Was Bendis a poison pill Marvel sent in to stop DC's momentum or something?
#150
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