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Ya know, reading part four of those interviews, I could kinda almost see Quesada's point...

[[ducks before someone throws something sharp]]

Not that I agree with it...or anything he said in the first three parts...

Seeing this...


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It's become 100% clear to me. ASM has become Ultimate Spider-Man 2.0... with a reboot of the Romita era, as opposed to the Ditko years.

I do believe you're right!

Spider-man is just one of those characters that can't grow up. And if they do, someone really talented has to handle it. Because becoming a spider-totem, fighting a vampire (remember Morbeus?), fighing a cheap doc ock rip off, getting separated from MJ, rewriting history, making fun of comic readers, LA, and patting yourself on the back for Babylon 5 really chafed my hide.

Holy thread bump, but CBR just did an interview with Amazing Spider-Man Editor Steve Wacker, and almost a year later Marvel does not want my money. Wacker even says so!

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources...at-transcript/

Stephen Wacker: You can tell everyone up top that we aren’t going to stop publishing Spidey or go back to Pete being married, so if that drives you nuts, you can stop reading now.

Stephen Wacker: All that said, as you mentioned, you may just think that the book stinks and I strongly feel that you shouldn’t read something you’re not enjoying. If you have to leave, go ahead. It’s okay.

Seems to make sense. Glad he's honest

I hated the whole OMD thing from the start but decided (begrudgingly) to keep collecting and see how it went. I'll admit that the stories and art have been enjoyable, but it just doesn't feel right to me - to me, this is as much like Spider-man as Ultimate Spider-man is. It wasn't just dissolving the marriage, but undoing so much other stuff - including bringing Harry back from the dead - that it's just not "in continuity" any more. Even though I'm really (really!) diggin' the current NWTD story, it still doesn't feel like the real Spider-man. To me, he's dead and I'm just reading about some other guy now.

You mean, like a...clone?

Did Marvel ever put out a TPB collecting the Clone Saga?

After 3 years of these shit, it seems they'll try to get things straighten out.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=25807

Im only interested if it erases BND.

Not sure how you see that as straightening it out as it just show how the wedding didn't happen.

Following my own comments above, I have to agree. And this is coming from someone who has every issue of Amazing Spider-man - up until last year when I stopped collecting. BND just ruined Spidey for me.

I'm the opposite. I read Spider-Man religiously in the late 80s and early 90s, but drifted away when I went off to school in '92. I checked back in when JMS took over and I thought it was horrendous. Brand New Day is a return to the kind of Spider-Man I used to read and I love it.

I didn't mean to imply that I loved all aspects of Spidey over the entire time! There were a number of events that I hated along the way... Clone saga ... Aunt May being brought back ... Gwen and Norman's children .. just to name a few.

Well, what is it about the current Spidey that doesn't feel real to you. For as long as I've been reading (up until BND, anyway), Peter Parker was married to Mary Jane. But it never felt like an essential part of the character to me. It never felt to me like if that were missing, it wouldn't be Spider-Man. With the JMS stuff -- at least the few issues I read, and I will freely admit that I only read a small fraction of JMS's run, so it's probably not fair for me to judge -- it felt like something essential was missing from what defines Spider-Man. I don't get that feeling from current Spider-Man, which is why I'm enjoying the book.

Like you, I don't mean to imply I love everything about it -- don't get me started on everything that is wrong with the way they write Norman Osborne, and the recent "Peter gets fired" storyline didn't ring true to the character for me, to name two examples -- but on the whole, this finally feels like the character Stan Lee and Roger Stern and David Michelinie and my other favorites used to write.

I still don't see why they didn't just use Ultimate Spidey to do the story, though, if they wanted to regress the character back to his original state... is it because the rest of the Ultimate universe got so messed up? I haven't read Spidey in a long time, but did they deage him as well?

And hey, I enjoy stuff like Spiderman loves Mary Jane, which is obviously out of continuity, but I can see why people are upset over shenanigans with the "real" Spidey.

Lemmy, I'm in much the same boat as you... who the heck are these guys? The X-titles have morphed beyond my understanding for a long, long time now, and now they're changing it up yet again. Civil War destroyed my opinions of Stark and Reed Richards. Finally read the third JMS Thor issue, and it was a bit of a letdown.

I seem to enjoy the periphery of the Marvel Universe, now. I still enjoy the aftermath of Annihilation, including the changes to Nova and the really out-there Guardians of the Galaxy. And I like Avengers: Initiative, with the focus on minor characters.

I don't think Spider-man divorced or whatever would stop being Spider-man. But to undo Norman Osbourne's Death, to have Aunt May actually die, then a few years later say it was really an actress, who pretended to be Aunt May, who died, and the real Aunt May has been in suspended animation all these years, AND THEN, to "reveal" that Gwen Stacy had sex with Norman Osbourne and left to Europe to have the out of wedlock children, and then to have Peter Parker make a deal with the devil to save his Aunt May's life and in return he gets to be single again by altering the history of his marriage, and then to undo Harry Osbourne's death...

I don't know how you can undo such big milestones in the Spider-man saga and have it still feel like Spider-man.

The only thing left is to bring back Gwen and Kraven.

According to the Spider-Man panel, Brand New Day is ending in October and then is just another Spider-Man character explotation ala Deadpool.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=27464

Marvel really knows how to saturate the market with their favorite characters.

And I could still care less. I actually liked the Gwen/Norman story, but wont touch OMD or the rest. A friend of mine reads them, and I dont even care enough to borrow his.

From that interview:

So, like most of B.N.D., it's all about what Quesada wants, and mainly that's Peter and Mary Jane shouldn't be together. I keep trying, but these recent issues have been bad. No real character development, the new villians aren't memorable or useful (and most of them are essentially "2.0" versions), and the few scenes between MJ, Peter, and Harry (as well as Aunt May's "negative attitude") feel like Marvel is giving a big "f--- you" to all the long time fans.

The only way Spider-Man will be fixed is when Quesada is out as EIC.

One down ...

I dropped reading Spiderman and collecting comics around ASM #52 second series. Picked it up again for one more day, and brand new day the first four issues and just couldn't get into it. Stop bringing back dead Characters, first off. I am thinking about picking this new direction up, but if they bring back kraven after his perfect ending in Kraven's last hunt by J.M.DeMaettis, and bring back Gwen unless she is a clone then I will once again say Fuck you to marvel and spiderman.

I went thru a recent graphic novel and tpb purchases, and not one of them was "new" spidey. I know some of you realize how hard it was to quit cold turkey and watch from the sidelines them ruin your favorite characters, but spiderman and I are deep. My first exposure to him was peter parker the spectacular spiderman 36 or 39 back in '76 with the character Swarm on the cover. I was three. My most vivid memory from being that young.

I have always felt Quesadilla puts his views of what the characters should be then where they are in actuality. The whole universe needs a rebooting. Keep the numbering but do what DC did in the Eighties Bring a close to current storylines in one big storyline and reboot from just after. You can skip some origins of characters and launch the title "six months later". Think of it not to many mutants, Peter and MJ, the first and best avengers, a younger fantastic four with a still older reed richards. Possibilities are endless I am sure some of you have your own Ideas.