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Old 06-13-13 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by discostu1337
It's ok, It is my fault for posting thoughts on an E3 game in the E3 thread...I forgot all of these gaming threads turned into "XBOX sucks, can't wait to have sex with my PS4"

Perhaps the anti XBOX stuff should be left in the PS4 forum? That way, we can actually talk about relevant things in here, and let people who want to enjoy the new XBOX talk in that thread without being insulted every 5 minutes?
I appreciate your optimism. I also appreciated the update on Killer Instinct. Thanks for being brave enough to stick around in the mire of negativity.

As someone that hated Sony over the PS3 debacle and enjoyed watching the car wreck, I recognize the same thing on the Microsoft side. It's interesting to see the shoe on the other foot this time though I'm not as pissed off at Microsoft as I was at Sony.
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Old 06-13-13 | 02:17 PM
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Well, his armor looked damaged, so the cloak would serve to help keep sand and grit out of the vulnerable joints and damaged areas.
Well there you go. Explanation accepted good sir.
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Re: Official E3 Thread of Microsoft's Self-Inflicted Misery (June 10-13, 2013)
Originally Posted by discostu1337
It's ok, It is my fault for posting thoughts on an E3 game in the E3 thread...I forgot all of these gaming threads turned into "XBOX sucks, can't wait to have sex with my PS4"

Perhaps the anti XBOX stuff should be left in the PS4 forum? That way, we can actually talk about relevant things in here, and let people who want to enjoy the new XBOX talk in that thread without being insulted every 5 minutes?
"Official E3 Thread of Microsoft's Self-Inflicted Misery"

I suspect that some folks are hoping that if there's enough noise MS will change course. I don't have much hope for that. I'm just ticked.
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Old 06-13-13 | 04:02 PM
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No photo has ever given me more cognitive dissonance. My inner child and my manhood are in complete turmoil.

Thanks for that.
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Old 06-13-13 | 04:11 PM
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As someone that hated Sony over the PS3 debacle and enjoyed watching the car wreck, I recognize the same thing on the Microsoft side. It's interesting to see the shoe on the other foot this time though I'm not as pissed off at Microsoft as I was at Sony.
I knew I was only buying one of these two upcoming consoles, but given the lack of BC, I was fully prepared to change to Xbox this generation...hell, I was actually leaning that way with Sony first-party exclusives being the only thing holding me back.

You're right that it feels exactly the same, where early this generation, Microsoft was doing almost everything right in terms of online community, ease of development, price, and controller (but not the reliability of the console itself), and Sony was doing almost everything wrong.

Now Sony is doing almost everything right, and Microsoft is doing almost everything wrong.
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Re: Official E3 Thread of Microsoft's Self-Inflicted Misery (June 10-13, 2013)
Why Xbox One and PS4 may be the final generation of consoles

The war over specs and prices doesn't matter, because future game systems will be unrecognizable.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-21539_7...n-of-consoles/

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Excited about the high-tech look and feel of the upcoming Microsoft Xbox One and Sony PlayStation 4? Better enjoy them while you can, because this may be the final generation of big, dedicated living room game console hardware.

Based on the cheers and jeers coming out of this week's E3 video game trade show about the Xbox One and PlayStation 4, you'd think we were about to enter a new era of cutting-edge game machines, complete with a new arms race of processors, GPUs, and other features. But if you look at how media consumption has changed rapidly over the past several years, and more importantly, how the hardware used to consume said media has also changed, that may not be the case at all.

In fact, both new consoles appear to be lumbering dinosaurs, throwbacks to an era when your technology hardware, software, and processing power were all housed on-site, in one localized package. But, since the launch of the previous generation of living room game consoles more than half a decade ago, we've moved toward a far more connected way to access content, largely through cloud services that can stream both video and game content, as well as live interactive experiences such as shopping and social networking. In fact, the Xbox 360, a console still at the heart of a great many living room setups, didn't even originally ship with built-in wireless Internet connectivity (although subsequent redesigns of the hardware added Wi-Fi, and the PS3 always included it).
Microsoft is at least being upfront that your relationship with Xbox One games is through a software license, not physical media.

Anyone who watches content trends knows that the future, and even much of the present, is not in plastic discs that get pressed at a factory, put into boxes, and then shipped to retail stores to sit until you decide to buy them and bring them home. To its credit, Microsoft is at least being upfront that your relationship with Xbox One games is through the software license that gamers are actually purchasing, not the antiquated physical media that comes with it. Not that this makes the restrictive sharing and trade-in conditions of the Xbox One any easier for consumers raised on trading plastic discs with each other or to retail stores any less annoying.


To see where games and game systems are going, look at how people connect to video content. It's through streaming services such as Netflix and Amazon Prime Video, delivered over hardware devices that are little more than simple online conduits, such as the Roku or Apple TV (even "CBS This Morning" anchor Gayle King recently told me she purchased a DVD player specifically to stream Hulu Plus over it). The original Apple TV box was a set-top box with a hard drive for local content. Subsequent versions dropped that in favor of what is essentially a passthrough box for online streaming.

The video game equivalent of this trend is streaming game services such as On Live and Gaikai. Both offload the hardware and storage-intensive tasks of housing and rendering games to cloud-based server farms, literally broadcasting the live gameplay back to you through your TV or Web browser. No, it's not perfect yet, and still far too reliant on maintaining a strong broadband internet connection, but that's why we're talking about the following generation of game consoles, not this one.

That said, at least one of the major console makers is clearly seeing the writing on the wall. Sony's acquisition of streaming-game provider Gaikai in 2012 set the stage for streaming game content in the PS4, and while that won't be the main way you play games on it, some games will be available as streaming content in early 2014 and beyond.

If that ends up working well enough, there's no reason a Sony streaming-games service couldn't be built into other hardware, just as Netflix is built into televisions, DVD players, small streaming devices, etc. That means Sony, and Microsoft and Nintendo, if they follow suit, could exit the incredibly risky and expensive business of planning, designing, building, and marketing $400-$500 plastic hardware boxes with half-decade lead times, and instead become, like Netflix or Amazon's Kindle, a platform for both first-party and third-party content. Even better, like Netflix, On Live, Hulu Plus, and other services, you could simply build future Sony and Microsoft "console" access into smart televisions and other online devices.

The new Roku 3: overhauled interface, faster chip and private listening mode

A PlayStation 5 could be about this big if it was a conduit for streaming games.

The end result: the PlayStation 5 and Xbox, uh, Two (?) are more likely to look like a Roku or Apple TV than a hulking squared-off gaming PC. It would be far-fetched if not for three things; Sony's existing commitment to stream at least some games, soft sales for the high-profile Nintendo Wii U, and muted reaction to the overpriced, overly restrictive Xbox One.
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Old 06-13-13 | 09:34 PM
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Yeah, I'm not buying any of that...particularly his rationale at the end. WiiU is bombing because the gimmick is wearing thin and the muted response to X1 isn't because it's a traditional console but rather because it's such a departure.
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Old 06-13-13 | 09:39 PM
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Yeah, I'm not buying any of that...particularly his rationale at the end. ... and the muted response to X1 isn't because it's a traditional console but rather because it's such a departure.
Isn't that what he basically said?
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Old 06-13-13 | 10:04 PM
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My friends have been tossing out the "xbox is future proof" stance because they're transitioning to digital. Wouldn't Gaikai be the ultimate transition in 7-8 years? All streaming? On Live had the right idea, it's just premature. Seems like Sony has the short and long term covered pretty well.
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Old 06-13-13 | 10:11 PM
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The Wii U isn't selling because the games people actually want don't get released on the Wii U, just like the Wii. Nintendo 1st party games become more irrelevant every year, and Nintendo takes longer and longer to release them. I bought a 3DS and it sat in a drawer for a year. Still, there are only a handful of good games for it.
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Old 06-13-13 | 10:53 PM
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Isn't that what he basically said?
It's the opposite of what he said.

The X1 is going in the direction he thinks the industry is, and suffice to say it's meeting slight resistance.
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Old 06-13-13 | 10:56 PM
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Re: Official E3 Thread of Microsoft's Self-Inflicted Misery (June 10-13, 2013)
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Nintendo 1st party games become more irrelevant every year,
Sales figures beg to differ.

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Nintendo takes longer and longer to release them.
This is on the nose however.
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Old 06-13-13 | 10:59 PM
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Re: Official E3 Thread of Microsoft's Self-Inflicted Misery (June 10-13, 2013)
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The Wii U isn't selling because the games people actually want don't get released on the Wii U, just like the Wii. Nintendo 1st party games become more irrelevant every year, and Nintendo takes longer and longer to release them. I bought a 3DS and it sat in a drawer for a year. Still, there are only a handful of good games for it.
I mostly agree with this. Their franchises haven't changed significantly (technically or visually) since the Gamecube, and there really isn't even much of a gap between their handheld and their console versions any more.

That said, I've been on a bit of a rediscovery tour with my Wii the past few weeks, and there really is some serious nontraditional fun to be had on that thing if you approach it with an open mind. It also had the best game of this entire generation, Mario Galaxy (and 2 by extension).
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Old 06-14-13 | 07:48 AM
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Re: Official E3 Thread of Microsoft's Self-Inflicted Misery (June 10-13, 2013)
Originally Posted by Nausicaa
The Wii U isn't selling because the games people actually want don't get released on the Wii U, just like the Wii. Nintendo 1st party games become more irrelevant every year, and Nintendo takes longer and longer to release them. I bought a 3DS and it sat in a drawer for a year. Still, there are only a handful of good games for it.
You are right about the Wii and WiiU, but dead wrong about the 3DS. There are a ton of really good games for it.
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Old 06-14-13 | 08:58 AM
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Re: Official E3 Thread of Microsoft's Self-Inflicted Misery (June 10-13, 2013)
Originally Posted by Nausicaa
The Wii U isn't selling because the games people actually want don't get released on the Wii U, just like the Wii. Nintendo 1st party games become more irrelevant every year, and Nintendo takes longer and longer to release them. I bought a 3DS and it sat in a drawer for a year. Still, there are only a handful of good games for it.
You must have ignored the past year for the 3DS.
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You are right about the Wii and WiiU, but dead wrong about the 3DS. There are a ton of really good games for it.
Tons? Really Good Games?

Animal Crossing New Leaf
Super Mario World 3D
Fire Emblem Awakenings
Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D

That's all that spring to mind to me as really good-to-great games on the system today.

I'd consider :

Luigi's Mansion New Moon
Mario Kart 7
New SMB 2
Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D
Star Fox 3D
Kingdom Hearts 3D
Kid Icarus Uprising

as all good but flawed games.
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Yeah, what world you guys living in that has TONS of great games for the 3DS?
The ones I like so far, that aren't remakes, I can count on one hand.
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I predicted these would be the last consoles for either manufacturer and I'm standing by it. Netflix has proven that streaming is the future and aside from dl data caps, someone is bound to get it right in 5 years.
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Oooh you so smart... you predicted... ooooh.... at least you didn't "call it"...
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I'm calling it now, last gen of traditional consoles.
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Oooh you so smart... you predicted... ooooh.... at least you didn't "call it"...
Not sure why but since this whole next-gen console thing started up you've comes across as quite a pretentious prick... maybe it's been the whole time and I just didn't notice.
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Wow, I don't think I have been called pretentious or a prick before... Thanks!
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Breakdown:

XO: 36 games; 8 exclusives.
360: 36 games; 0 exclusives.

PS4: 31 games; 5 exclusives.
PS3: 38 games; 5 exclusives.
PS Vita: 5 games; 2 exclusives.

Wii U: 27 games; 13 exclusives.
Wii: 3 games; 0 exclusives.
3DS: 11 games; 5 exclusives.


Saw this over at Game Trailers...

PlayStation 4 vs. Xbox One: A List of All Confirmed Next-Gen Titles and Exclusives

http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mis...and-exclusives

PlayStation 4: 72 Games
Xbox One: 59 Games



Only on Xbox One (14 games)

• Below
• Black Tusk Studio game
• Crimson Dragon
• D4
• Dead Rising 3
• Forza Motorsport 5
• Halo
• Killer Instinct
• Kinect Sports Rivals
• Powerstar Golf
• Quantum Break
• Rabbids Invasion
• Ryse: Son of Rome
• Sunset Overdrive



Xbox One Next-Gen Console Exclusive (8 games)

• Fantasia: Music Evolved
• LocoCycle
• Minecraft Xbox One Edition
• Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare
• Project Spark
• Titanfall
• Zoo Tycoon
• Zumba Fitness: World Party



Only On PS4 (10 games)

• Basement Crawl
• Deep Down
• Driveclub
• Galak-Z
• Infamous: Second Son
• Killzone: Shadow Fall
• Knack
• The Order 1886
• Secret Ponchos
• Super Stardust (spiritual successor)



PS4 Next-Gen Console Exclusive (25 games)

• Blacklight: Retribution
• Contrast
• Daylight
• DC Universe Online
• Diablo III
• Doki-Doki Universe
• Don't Starve
• Final Fantasy XIV
• Hohokum
• Mercenary Kings
• Octodad: Dadliest Catch
• Oddworld: Abe’s Oddysee New ‘n’ Tasty
• Outlast
• The Pinball Arcade
• Planetside 2
• Primal Carnage: Genesis
• Project Heart and Soul
• Ray's the Dead
• Rocketbirds 2: Evolution
• Super Motherload
• Tiny Brains
• Transistor
• War Thunder
• Warframe
• The Witness





Multi-Platform (37 games)

• Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag
• Battlefield 4
• Call of Duty: Ghosts
• Carmageddon: Reincarnation
• The Crew
• Cyberpunk 2077
• Destiny
• Dragon Age: Inquisition
• Dying Light
• The Elder Scrolls Online
• The Evil Within
• FIFA 14
• Final Fantasy XV
• Just Dance 2014
• Kingdom Hearts 3
• LEGO Marvel Superheroes
• Lords of the Fallen
• Mad Max
• Madden NFL 25
• Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
• Mirror's Edge
• NBA 2K14
• NBA Live 14
• Need for Speed: Rivals
• Rainbow 6: Patriots
• Shadow Warrior
• Skylanders: Swap Force
• Sniper Elite 3
• Star Wars: Battlefront
• Thief
• Tom Clancy's The Division
• Trials Fusion
• UFC
• Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade
• Watch Dogs
• The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
• Wolfenstein: The New Order


PC: 37 games; 2 exclusives.
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