Because getting more stuff and getting stuff sooner is fundamentally better? Not sure i can explain it any better. We know the games will run the same, so that's not an issue.

Yeah, as I said it's subjective. But for hardcore MP gamers of COD, FIFA, etc. It's important/better to have that DLC first. It makes a difference.

They should run the same. Having the ability to buy more stuff sooner seems kind of trivial to me, but I guess there are those that live for it.

Microsoft has detailed some of the changes the Xbox One Store will have compared to the Xbox 360 downloads, in the interest of making it more accessible to both consumers and indie developers:
http://news.xbox.com/2013/08/gamescom-indie

Basically, all the various stores (Xbox Live Arcade, Xbox Live Indie Games, Games on Demand) are being merged into one, the Xbox One Store. It doesn't mention it, but I'm guessing apps will be put in this store as well.

Indie games will no longer be segregated into its own store, or require a publisher (As XBLA does). However, there is an approval process for developers, as well as the games, so MS is planning on curating their store rather than letting anyone and everyone develop on it. Here's an article commenting on the changes:
http://penny-arcade.com/report/artic...ostly-great-ne

I figured they would just go with One Store and replace GFWL with it as well.

Yeah, not so much.

I do have some thoughts on Sony keeping Sly, GOW, TLoU, Beyond, Ratchet and Puppeteer on PS3, while MS pushed Crimson D, DR3, Lococycle and Ryse from 360 to One...but not for this audience.

Are we talking months or weeks? I'd think, in the absence of cross platform play, that the major factor for MP gamers would be what their friends are playing on. Is it that big of a deal that the other platform gets it a few weeks early if you're not playing against those players anyway? Now if you have both consoles (like a fool... ), that's a different story. I mean, I guess it must be a big deal because MS shelled out a bunch of money for it, but I don't really understand why. Of course, this is coming from a guy who has such a gigantic backlog that I may not get to a new game in the first week or two anyway.

As for the fighting games and 5 dollar add ons, well, that's definitely a trend that's pretty crappy. Some day, the fighting game universe and the Skylanders/Infinity universes will merge and we'll have to buy $12 figurines to play as certain characters. I'm not a huge fighting game fan, but for me Injustice was more about the license, and I can see people shelling out five bucks for new characters because hey, it's another DC character/skin. Not sure how it worked for MK (and I was actually kinda ticked that one of my pre-bought DLC was a MK character in Injustice).

Windows uses DirectX whereas Mac uses OpenGL/OpenCL. That's why Mac has shit for games.

What do you mean.... this audience?


MS said awhile back that indie games would not be segregated and would be with all games.

Games for Windows Live is going away.

Can we not bait anyone into this "discussion"?

Lococycle is still releasing on both Xbox consoles, unless there was some news in the last hour I'm not seeing.

For the purposes of this thread, I'm happy to accept Stu's list as absolute "facts".

@ makes a difference. Unless there is cross platform play, getting maps sooner doesn't mean shit. It's not important or better. Everyone on each platform will have access to maps on the same day, albeit different days about a month apart. There's no competitive edge to an Xbox guy getting a map sooner than a PS4 guy. That's just fanboy mentality trying to flex epeens.

Has there been any actual exclusive DLC announced? All I have seen is timed.

No one has posted anything that validates "3rd party = better on X1".

People are stretching to come up with reasons one would choose X1 over PS4. One is focused on gaming and the other on services(tv, kinect, football, skype, etc) behind a paywall. As a "rational gamer" I'm going with the one focused on gaming as their #1 priority. Maybe that's just me.

Same, and I've never played an Infamous game. Dead Rising is the only one that would have interested me for X1 until they turned it into a generic brown zombie game. Titanfall? CoD with Mechs. I still love Halo, but that's not anywhere near launch. No interest in Forza, Fable or KI.

That leaves the infamous cloud gaming vaporwear and Live, aka the dash that will be littered with ads on a service you are already paying for. I'm a 360 guy but I'm not ignorant enough to ignore the fact that all the discounts and free PSN titles put Live to shame. Assuming Sony ups their end for MP and speeds up downloads, PSN wins that battle. Live is hardly the beast it once was.

One service you pay for ads, apps that are free everywhere else, and built in DVR functionality. The other you pay for games. Any "rational gamer" could see that.

You just dissed the whole thread twice... put up your dukes!!!

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I don't think it has anything to do with fanboy mentality and epeens, and I'm not sure how many people really treat it as a competitive advantage as i've never heard that angle before with timed DLC. For people that like the franchise and the game and wear out the maps on release a few months in, getting to play new content right away is a nice perk. It may not mean that much in the long run, but I don't think it means shit at all.


I still don't get this, people were praising Sony over their TV deal, and their new platform also seems to be littered with social media. To me, both have gaming and media pretty equal in priority, and I don't really see why everyone acts like gaming isn't Microsoft's focus just because there are other services available any more then Sony is doing on their side.

Neither is a dedicated game console, both are intended to be multifunctional devices. Personally I like the TV features on the Xbox One and I like what I'm seeing of the PS4 IPTV things.

No one was praising the TV deal here.

As for the other services, sure they both have them but Sony hasn't had this moment yet:

Well, you never understood why someone would want a PS4 over the XO, so that's not too surprising.

As for the list, I'll say this: PS+, $100 less, no enforced camera (I don't WANT a camera attached to my console, I can skype on my phone or tablet), Vita integration (I already own one), and I prefer the PS exclusives. The controller being better has yet to be seen, but it's not like the Dualshock 3 was unplayable. It was a very good controller, just not as good as the 360 controller, and by all accounts the PS4 controller is improved over the DS3 anyway.

At this point, I think it's fair to say that MS has averted complete disaster and has made a competitive console. I don't think it's fair to say that it's a slam dunk over the PS4.

Wasn't aware of that...my mistake.

But it sort of reinforces what I was getting at in that Sony could have released any or all of their 2013 PS3 exlusives on any combo of PS3 and PS4 and given their fanboys something to crow about. I'm actually on record as saying they should have in the case of TLoU, so I'm not averse to MS' strategy. Rather, I think it's disingenuous to use it as evidence that they will have more or better games.

If you really think X1 is going to get more exclusive games than PS4 over the long term, I could give you guys a thousand words to refute that...or I could just show you a picture of the past 4 years:



I won't even get into hardware parity or third party games being somehow better on X1, except to say that neither is likely.

Not the same at all. Xbox 360 had an easier architecture to design for, and a better GPU, but a CPU that wasn't as powerful as the Cell. The PS3 had the more complicated architecture and a more powerful CPU, but designing for it was difficult. Like you said, the architecture was different, so it wasn't an apples to apples comparison. This generation it is.

No one? There was plenty of optimism about it in the PS4 thread.

As for the video, Microsoft mentioned TV a lot initially and...? I recall a pretty boring segment Sony presented at E3 that focused on media, but I guess that's easily forgotten. Acting like Sony is so much more focused on gaming then Microsoft is just silly.

Don't get me wrong, I think discostu is as far biased as anyone else here and saying the One is a no brainer over the PS4 is absolutely ridiculous, but I just think this assertion that somehow Sony has gaming as a priority any more then Microsoft is way off. Like Rich said, they're both clearly trying to do other things and I don't see why some are holding it over Microsoft's head and not Sony's.

Windows supports OpenGL as well, even if Microsoft would like you to think otherwise.

OpenGL actually supports newer and more advanced features than DirectX currently.

I swear you went over this before

Damn people not reading every single post!

Well, I just saw the latest Titanfall video and I will have to follow up Microsoft's steps and do an 180. That is now a release date game for me.

That game is going to be huge.