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Everybody wins! :dance:

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Yes, it is the person who actually bought the game, plus ONE other user from the shared folder.

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Almost. Live went down for a couple weeks at Christmas a few years ago. Nothing like a kid getting an x1 for Christmas only to have it bricked right out of the box because of Live being down.

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It will depend on the publisher.

For example, it'll be a cold day in hell before Activision charges less than SRP for a Call of Duty title. Black Ops II is still $59.99 on Steam whereas Black Ops and Modern Warfare III are priced at $39.99 despite being a few years old.

In 2008. It was down for eleven days and Microsoft hasn't had such a "repeat" since. Beats the month plus PSN was down for... and you know, everyone's financial information released along with it in a fucking text file.

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Am I missing something? Why couldn't Sony offer the digital copy for $40?

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Even if they can just charge a base price of 49.99 for every game digital at launch from their own studio to start, it will be pretty major. Halo, Gears, Forza etc.

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Eh, dude's not that big.

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Really? You can't be serious.

Irony? Seems like anyone that grabs a mic or keyboard at MS insults their audience. Talk about hiveminded. Maybe that's just me.

Let's begrudge the companies that built your fucking company by selling your shit. Classy.

Yeah, all PR people should be telling the consumers to buy the competitor's product. :lol:

Bullshit. Not everyone trades in games. If you sell direct you get quite a decent return on your game.

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I know there won't be numbers, but I would argue the majority sell and trade their games through outlets like GameStop, Best Buy, and various other retailers. While I know how to work Craiglist (I sold my Wii through there) and eBay (where I sell all my old Apple products), I ended up just selling most of my unneeded DVDs through Zia Records because it was a pain in my ass to sell DVDs that have significantly lost their resale value. The only time I'll go through eBay is if it's for an OOP title.

On the flip side, with the exception of the Wii, it's been years since I've sold any consoles or games. I never purchase used games because I have OCD when it comes to physical media.

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I suppose that was a bad example. Perhaps this could make a little more sense. Madden 2014 releases on PS4 digital and disc for $60. On X1, it releases at $50 DIGITAL ONLY, no disc at all, since they can guarantee all their customers have the 500gb HD and broadband internet to DL the game. Sony can not make this guarantee so they have to release it on disc as well. They could possibly make their digital cheaper but a majority of the customers would still buy the disc as that is what they are used to doing. MS moving in this direction could pay off in the long run for us getting much cheaper games, but again, time will tell.

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Is this really that bad for Gamestop, how exactly will they be taking money from Gamestop with the used game policy? I'm guessing Gamestop will have the system completely figured out for trading in games and transferring the license, meanwhile probably working out a deal with Microsoft to cut down the license transfer cost if any (it doesn't sound like there will be any from what I've read). If anything this just shuts down Gamestop's competition on ebay and craigslist and other smaller stores/sites because it is a barrier to entry for the smaller seller.

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Exactly, we WILL be able to trade in X1 games to Gamestop. It's insane to think that we can't. The system supports the trading and buying of used games at participating retailers. Do people really think GS is not going to participate? They are basically the only choice. All we as consumers will have to do now is type a code in when we get home with our used games. Holy balls that is tough to do, I don't think I can handle typing a code in :)

In a few weeks when MS starts clearly announcing the details of everything, people will start to see how much better this system will actually be than the PS4. Their downfall right now is poor marketing and PR.

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I think I mis-communicated my post, I don't see these barriers to entry, which will benefit gamestop and in turn push out the smaller sellers, as a good thing. My post was mainly targeted toward the xbox one engineer that communicated his ideas better than most of MS PR, but his ideas were still very contradictory with the MS policies and even his own explanations.

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MS now says that not only can you share games with people on your "family" list but all DLC can be shared...basically all purchases made can be shared.

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I like to rent games. I like to loan games to a couple of friends. I like to borrow games for an extended period of time then give them back when I'm done. I like selling my old games to whomever I choose. I occasionally buy used games from Gamefly or even EBay on rare occasions.
Please explain to me how much better the MS system is than the PS4, because I sure don't see it.

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Ultimately, I think that's the biggest issue: marketing and PR.

For those asking why Sony can't do digital sales the same day as discs, they could, but they haven't outlined any such plans in their public policy. They can do it, but that takes time and engineering.

In contrast, MS appears to be mandating disc and digital for every release, day and date, all titles. Sony has shown no real plans for the digital future other than reselling you your PS3 games as a streaming game service which requires Skype-like persistent data for every second of game play. Sony doesn't want to sell you digital PS4 games, because then their BD royalty money goes down.

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Family plan lets you borrow and lend games for as long as you own it to 10 people, and vice versa. Easier than the conventional lending.

You can still trade and buy used at Gamestop.

The only think you will potentially miss out on is eBay and possibly renting. But, one of the people in your shared lists buys a game you wanted to rent anyways, there ya go.

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Similarly, I'm still sitting on Aquanaut's Holiday sealed. I've been told by users here it can fetch a pretty penny on ebay. In an xbox one world*, it's worth $10 or whatever MS deems it worth. :down:

*technically in an x1 world it wouldn't even work since x1 would have to be region free.

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Hasn't Sony already been doing day and date digital releases with the PS3?

I really doubt they want to sell you a ps3 disc rather than through their online store for the BD royalties. Their cut of the online copy should easily outweight the BD royalty.

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All of which can be done without risk of losing/damaging the discs. Game rentals can be digital, with no late fees. GameFly-like services can exist with a monthly fee for one or two at a time rentals. Remember Xbox is part of the big Build conference MS does, which is a first for that department. Build is about software devs, not just game studios. I'd wait to see what happens there before writing off the XO completely.

Those things will change for you, which is just the nature of an all-digital system. Crazy thought, but what if eBay is a participating retailer for used XO games? You sign into eBay on your XO, select "sell my game" and your license transfers out of your account and is held by eBay until the auction ends? eBay transfers the license to the buyer when payment is confirmed, and voila! Game sold. :)

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Wow dude... E3 really changed you... :p

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Have they? I guess so... but not every disc-based title, right?

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Yea. I'm still not understanding the "Sony won't have digital" argument. The PS3 has it, and hell the WiiU has day and date digital games(not that there's many of them).

:lol: Just not a big fan of companies telling me how to use their products, and telling me I don't own anything despite dropping thousands on them.

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All the new console news has just been so lackluster. I don't really know how you can get excited for it. Oculus Rift HD has stolen E3. XBox One has Kinect 2.0 for some more dance games. How exciting. The launch lists I've seen are almost all sequels to existing IPs, very few interesting things going on. Graphics and new gameplay functionality has barely been a focus in favor of pointless TV functionality. The always online stuff is annoying, but the big problem is that there is really nothing exciting about these consoles. Someone earlier said that Microsoft has abandoned the gamer crowd. They were abandoned years ago, I would argue, and this console does nothing to bring them back. Of course the fact the 360 was shoddy built-to-fail hardware was reason enough for me never to consider this console, so I was never excited to begin with.

:crap:

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Well, if we're allowed to argue with fantasy scenarios in this thread, in MY scenario PS4 sells the disc for $20, you get the digital copy for free with it, plus the digital copy can be sold back to Sony for full price at any time. Also, with every purchase Jessica Alba hand-delivers a free gallon of ice cream to your house.