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Old 09-27-13 | 01:18 PM
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How can you hate a controller before even getting your hands on it?
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PS3 Boomerang controller?
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Originally Posted by pinata242
Seems like the same mapping you'd expect and what all of we console (or controller) players used in Portal 2.
People play Valve games on consoles?

While I own the PS3 edition of Portal 2 (because it came with a $20 Wal-Mart gift card and obviously a digital copy of the game for use on Steam), I tried playing it once on the console for my friend to get an achievement and I hated it. I couldn't get used to the controller layout for the game, which goes back to my experience of playing The Orange Box on 360 and having a similar experience.

I feel Valve games are experienced the best on the master race.

I'm willing to give the Steam controller a chance. Valve can't do no wrong, right?
Old 09-27-13 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by flashburn
How can you hate a controller before even getting your hands on it?
Just because. Plus, I was being dramatic. I'm sure it's fine... I'm just really not a fan of trackpads. Maybe Valve found some magical way to make their trackpads better than sticks, but it's fair to speculate that that's not going to work out for everyone. It just seems like a really odd choice done solely to differentiate it from "the usual" controllers from MS, Sony, and Nintendo, but that's just my opinion; nothing more. Good for them for trying.
Old 09-27-13 | 01:23 PM
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Sticks suck for accuracy so it makes sense as to why they'd change it. It will depend on how good the trackpads are, as they vary an incredible amount on laptops. And frankly this is the only logical choice if you're going to have gamers playing against PC gamers in FPS, and playing an RTS game at all, and keep it a controller.

There are 6 "trigger" buttons on the controller (two bumper, two trigger, two back) so the basics are covered, this obviously won't work well for fighting games or 2D platformers, but it should still be compatible with other pads as well.

Edit: After I said that, I remembered the trackpad is "clickable", if you can define zones on it then actually 2D would work just fine.
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Trackpads might be a bit better for control, but I still think they're a good amount worse then using your entire hand on a mouse. I'm trying to picture using my thumb on a trackpad instead of a thumb stick for FPS control, and I just can't imagine that it will be a revelation or anything.
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Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel
Valve can't do no wrong, right?
Ummm... no...?
Old 09-27-13 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
Trackpads might be a bit better for control, but I still think they're a good amount worse then using your entire hand on a mouse. I'm trying to picture using my thumb on a trackpad instead of a thumb stick for FPS control, and I just can't imagine that it will be a revelation or anything.
I've used a trackpad with my thumb before, getting to a specific spot on the screen is still substantially easier than it is on an analog stick, but I agree with you it'd still be hard to compete with a whole-hand mouse control.
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Is any serious competitor going to sit on the couch in the living room?

It's a bridge and an experiment. You can still always use the controllers you use today for Big Picture mode.
Old 09-27-13 | 01:34 PM
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Old 09-27-13 | 01:35 PM
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Of course. I was thinking about it though and some other things I like:

On the current X360 (and PS3) controller configs, there are many games where you have to leave the Analog Stick with the left hand to hit the D-Pad to activate features. Since the Touchpad is a button and can read where you're touching it, clicking in different regions of the Touchpad would effectively remove the need to do that.

The same goes for the right Touchpad, different regions could technically correspond to ABXY, and they could be clicked just the same. The looks of the Touchpad make it seem like it would have some sort of response to clicking vs. just touching.

ABXY buttons on the controller itself can be used for whatever, same goes for the touch screen. Then you have 6 triggers on the back, and those 3 buttons on the bottom. There are plenty of options here, curious to see how it works out.
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I predict that a lot of people are going to buy Steam Machines and immediately install Windows on them.

Also, the controller looks like two NES MAXes combined with a Dreamcast controller. With a combination like that, you can't fail.
Old 09-27-13 | 03:38 PM
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Wow, I certainly will be avoiding that controller. The trackpads bring back bad memories of that Mario 64 port for the DS, which had you control Mario with the touchscreen and made the game a lot harder.
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Originally Posted by Dan
I hate trackpads, so this controller having two of them (instead of sticks, which would have made a shit-ton more sense, IMO) makes me hate it.
Didn't they once have an idea for a modular controller? I think that would be best so you could swap sticks for the pads. But my main concern is the button configuration. It's too different from the norm. I think I'll stick with my 360 controller (unless they make that incompatible with SteamOS).
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We're supposed to hear more about the Xi3 "Piston" on Monday too.

http://kotaku.com/well-learn-more-ab...n-m-1414219833
Old 09-27-13 | 10:41 PM
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I wonder if SteamOS will work with Origin dependent games or if EA will decide to be dicks and come up with an OriginOS.
Old 09-28-13 | 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
I think I'll stick with my 360 controller (unless they make that incompatible with SteamOS).
Well, SteamOS is some form of Linux, so they'd have to specifically include support for it. Are they going to do that even though they want people to try out their new controller? I hope so.
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We're supposed to hear more about the Xi3 "Piston" on Monday too.

http://kotaku.com/well-learn-more-ab...n-m-1414219833
Yes...and hopefully will shed more light on hardware specs, price range and what options. Going back when these "Piston Boxes" were first revealed, one area that perked my interest was the ability to upgrade various parts simply switching out cards. If this can be accomplished with a simple "P&P" feature it might attract a cross gamer for those who like simplicity of hardware yet crave pc power with easy upgradable hardware.
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
I wonder if SteamOS will work with Origin dependent games or if EA will decide to be dicks and come up with an OriginOS.
I'd be really surprised if they manage to make it work with games that aren't directly supported in Steam. If it doesn't work with EA or Blizzard games for instance, that could be a big negative.

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Well, SteamOS is some form of Linux, so they'd have to specifically include support for it. Are they going to do that even though they want people to try out their new controller? I hope so.
I think they've said it would support a variety of gamepads already, I have a hard time believing they wouldn't have drivers for the most popular one on PC.
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Some developer impressions of the controller -

http://kotaku.com/valves-controller-...pre-1415579308

"This sounds weird, but it's almost like rolling two weighted trackballs that are too large to actually fit into the controller," Lambe said as he tried to explain what it's like to have one's thumbs on those two trackpads. "For camera controls, slide one thumb to the right, and you'll feel this ticking, like you're turning a physical control. Flick your thumb quickly, and this imaginary physical thing reacts like something with weight to it—the 'trackball' continues to roll for a bit, eventually coming to a rest. And since it's all controlled through the software, the same trackpad then becomes more like a mouse or a laptop trackpad when you're navigating through menus. Dynamic!"P

I received similar positive impressions of the controller's haptic feedback from Klei's Jamie Cheng who had not gone hands-on with the controller but whose colleague had. "He told us that the controller haptic feedback was uncanny," Cheng said, "and that using the trackpad really did feel like pressing buttons."P

I had asked Lambe how the Steam controller felt compared to traditional game controllers. He replied: "It's familiar enough to be accessible (I believe they tried less conventional designs before they went with a form factor similar to existing gamepads), but much more precise for (say) anything WASD+mouselook."
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It sounds awesome to me

And for once, it looks like a controller that will be $60* because it's actually worth $60, unlike the 360 and PS3 pads.

* - No, there's been no announcement, just guessing.

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Originally Posted by Dan
Well, SteamOS is some form of Linux, so they'd have to specifically include support for [the Xbox 360 controller]. Are they going to do that even though they want people to try out their new controller? I hope so.
Xbox 360 controllers are plug-and-play in Linux. Their support is a standard part of the Linux kernel.
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Good to know. I could never get mine working with my Raspberry Pi, which is unrelated mostly, but yeah.
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Originally Posted by RichC2
It sounds awesome to me

And for once, it looks like a controller that will be $60* because it's actually worth $60, unlike the 360 and PS3 pads.

* - No, there's been no announcement, just guessing.

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I still need some (7) steam friends before I can sign up for the beta. My steam ID is koyaani.
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http://xi3.force.com/piston
  • 3.2 quad-core AMD Trinity processor.
  • Radeon 7000-Series GPU.
  • 8GB RAM.
  • 128GB SSD.
$999. Availale with 256GB for $1239 or 512GB for $1649.

According to their FAQ:

So how will PISTON be upgradeable, and why should consumers care about that?

It has been 5—7 years since the previous “closed” gaming systems were launched by 2 of the Big 3 Gaming manufacturers. When those machines began shipping, they provided a great gaming experience for their day. Today? Not so much. The reason that’s the case is that those machines were never designed to be truly upgradeable or updateable, and as we all know, technology continues to advance with new capabilities being launched every year.

The same problem also exists with gaming computers. Like it or not, the vast majority of computer owners don’t know how to update or upgrade their machines by themselves. That means if they want a better computer gaming experience, they have to pay someone else to do it for them or go off and buy a brand new machine. With the PISTON Console (PC), this will not be the case.

Because PISTON is based upon the Modular Computer architecture that replaces the typical single motherboard found in most computers with three miniaturized and interconnected boards, PISTON Consoles (PCs) can be updated simply by removing and replacing one of these three boards. In the future, Xi3 will provide upgrade PISTON boards and components to provide increased processing power, faster/better graphic rendering capabilities, improved networking speeds, greater connectivity options, and more. As a result, Xi3 believes it will allow PISTON users to continue to enjoy topnotch gaming throughout the life of each PISTON Console (PC).

So what about Valve Corporation? Does Xi3 have a relationship with Valve or not?

When we unveiled the PISTON Console (PC) at CES 2013, we announced at the time that Xi3 had received an investment from Valve. We have not revealed the amount or nature of that investment, nor will we do so now. We did, however, provide additional commentary about Valve and the “Steam Box” in a separate announcement in March of this year.

Is PISTON the Steam Box or not?

Xi3 has never described its PISTON Console (PC) as the Steam box or a Steam Box, especially since it appears that Steam Box is a term created by journalists and not by Valve. To be clear, however, PISTON Console owners will be able to access and play games on/through Steam since it is a Web-based platform open to anyone with an Internet connection and a Steam account, either on a Windows- or a Linux-based system. So in this regard, PISTON could be considered the first commercially available Steam Box.
By the way that reads, it looks like you'll be able to upgrade the board completely (i.e. most likely the CPU & GPU) on the unit as well as possibly other components.


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