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Old 09-30-13 | 02:53 PM
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That thing that emerged at this year's CES that we were all talking about a few pages back...

Xi3's Piston modular PC launching November 29th for $1,000
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/30/x...n-november-29/

Old 09-30-13 | 02:55 PM
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At least they stole from the best in regards to their controller design ...

... or you can use the Steam Controller.
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Stole is right. Unless they licensed the mold or something.
Old 09-30-13 | 03:00 PM
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Either there's a lawsuit coming or Microsoft allowed them to license the controller. I assume the former.

Based upon what we've seen with the Piston, I would hold off and wait to see what the first Steam Machine prototype looks like. There's some unique ideas in place, but reading reviews from people who used prototype models, there were numerous issues like the amount of noise being produced, excessive heat, etc.
Old 09-30-13 | 03:01 PM
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What an incredibly dull controller.
Old 09-30-13 | 03:03 PM
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Nothing will ever be the same in controller land now that we've got dual touchpad gyro-clicky mind activated chocolate love from Gabe's magic brain!
Old 09-30-13 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel
Either there's a lawsuit coming or Microsoft allowed them to license the controller. I assume the former.

Based upon what we've seen with the Piston, I would hold off and wait to see what the first Steam Machine prototype looks like. There's some unique ideas in place, but reading reviews from people who used prototype models, there were numerous issues like the amount of noise being produced, excessive heat, etc.
Well they can always defend themselves by pointing out that right thumbstick is more like a DualShock thumbstick and therefor the controller isn't a total ripoff of the 360 controller.
Old 09-30-13 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by chuckd21
Stole is right. Unless they licensed the mold or something.
"Our controller has a little square in the button on the top -- it's not the same"

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Old 10-01-13 | 11:21 AM
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Maybe not, but kind of NSFW...
NSFW:
Old 10-01-13 | 12:20 PM
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Alright, that was pretty funny
Old 10-02-13 | 02:49 PM
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Early looks at the Piston aren't too great. Kind of expected that we would see weak graphics performance.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/02/h...piston-gaming/
Old 10-02-13 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
Early looks at the Piston aren't too great. Kind of expected that we would see weak graphics performance.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/02/h...piston-gaming/
PayPal me a thousand dollars and I'll build you a PC in a Mini-ITX case that'll blow the Piston out of the water.
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PayPal me a thousand dollars and I'll build you a PC in a Mini-ITX case that'll blow the Piston out of the water.
Yeah, the price is kinda insane. It makes the device a non-starter.

Someone with computer knowledge : Could a console-sized "Steam Box" be produced with a proprietary or free OS, capable graphics card and an adequately-sized HDD and still be brought in as a plug-and-play console for $500 or less? Because if they can't match the next-gen consoles in price, whatever else they might bring to the table is sort of irrelevant.
Old 10-02-13 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Decker
Someone with computer knowledge : Could a console-sized "Steam Box" be produced with a proprietary or free OS, capable graphics card and an adequately-sized HDD and still be brought in as a plug-and-play console for $500 or less? Because if they can't match the next-gen consoles in price, whatever else they might bring to the table is sort of irrelevant.
The comments on that endgadget article mention the Alienware X51, which starts at around $699:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/4...FU-Z4AodKHAAIg

This article shows how to build a gaming PC for £500, which is around the cost of the Xbox One in the UK (£429).
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013...a-next-gen-pc/


Here's a discussion thread about building a PC with comparable specs and pricing to an Xbox One:
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic...as-ps4-xbox-1/
Old 10-04-13 | 02:31 PM
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The prototype Steam Machine that will be for beta users is pretty nice. Just a high end PC though.

http://kotaku.com/valves-first-steam...ful-1441267520

So for our own first prototype Steam Machine ( the one we're shipping to 300 Steam users ), we've chosen to build something special. The prototype machine is a high-end, high-performance box, built out of off-the-shelf PC parts. It is also fully upgradable, allowing any user to swap out the GPU, hard drive, CPU, even the motherboard if you really want to. Apart from the custom enclosure, anyone can go and build exactly the same machine by shopping for components and assembling it themselves. And we expect that at least a few people will do just that. (We'll also share the source CAD files for our enclosure, in case people want to replicate it as well.)

And to be clear, this design is not meant to serve the needs of all of the tens of millions of Steam users. It may, however, be the kind of machine that a significant percentage of Steam users would actually want to purchase - those who want plenty of performance in a high-end living room package. Many others would opt for machines that have been more carefully designed to cost less, or to be tiny, or super quiet, and there will be Steam Machines that fit those descriptions.

Here are the specifications for Valve's 300 prototypes.

The 300 prototype units will ship with the following components:
GPU: some units with NVidia Titan, some GTX780, some GTX760, and some GTX660
CPU: some boxes with Intel : i7-4770, some i5-4570, and some i3
RAM: 16GB DDR3-1600 (CPU), 3GB DDR5 (GPU)
Storage: 1TB/8GB Hybrid SSHD
Power Supply: Internal 450w 80Plus Gold
Dimensions: approx. 12 x 12.4 x 2.9 in high
Similar to the dev machines I actually use at work, actually.
Old 10-04-13 | 02:47 PM
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Outside of the i3 processor, those are some pretty awesome specifications.

Now the better question is how they make it "affordable" to the mainstream?
Old 10-04-13 | 04:22 PM
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If its more than $499 they wouldn't be competing with consoles that's for sure.
Old 10-04-13 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by edstein
If its more than $499 they wouldn't be competing with consoles that's for sure.
If they're utilizing the latest Haswell desktop-based Intel i3 processors in their "base" model, "off the shelf" pricing for a consumer could range anywhere around $120 to $170 depending on which model. Obviously, if you're a manufacturer, signing a contract with Intel, and purchasing in bulk right from the supplier... well, there will be discounts on that.

Based upon what Steam has mentioned their prototype hardware to be like, I built a computer using the base (i3) processor and the minimum amount of hardware they've mentioned (16GB of CPU memory, 3GB of GPU memory, 450w power supply, etc) at the cheapest price point. I'm sure I could go a few dollars cheaper, but I wanted to use some quality parts.

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/cupboardoflove/saved/2vR9

For a consumer to build a similar machine, they're already looking at $799, maybe more once you consider factors like controllers and what not. At the most, I could see a similar priced official Steam Machine made by a manufacturer at around $599-699 at the cheapest. It's not great for something to compete with a console, but it would be a great price point to compete with gaming PCs. Especially if you can pick one up off the shelf at a Best Buy or Fry's.

However, I feel like attaching a 3GB GPU and 16GB of RAM to an i3-based computer is fucking stupid. I would personally go with a six-core or eight-core AMD processor at that point, but for that fact they're only using Intel processors and Nvidia processors must mean something....
Old 10-04-13 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
Early looks at the Piston aren't too great. Kind of expected that we would see weak graphics performance.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/02/h...piston-gaming/
I just don't "get" this product. Why does it need to be so small? They couldn't even fit a discreet GPU. $1k could build a pretty good mini-PC but they just had to make it the size of a baseball. Weird.
Old 10-11-13 | 02:26 PM
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<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/eeAjkbNq4xI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Controller in action.
Old 10-11-13 | 04:42 PM
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Okay. I'm now sold on that controller.

Who do I have to suck off at Valve to guarantee myself one of the three-hundred beta Steam Machines?
Old 10-11-13 | 09:14 PM
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I haven't even watched the video, but I find it hard to believe that such a controller wouldn't be as-advertised. I mean, they know the problem they're trying to solve, if they couldn't come close, it wouldn't happen.
Old 11-04-13 | 10:57 AM
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We play with the Steam Machine, Valve's game console of the future
http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/4/50...-of-the-future

Old 11-04-13 | 11:16 AM
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From that article it sounds like CES in January is when we'll start to see this thing.
Old 11-04-13 | 11:55 AM
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Looks nice. I may hold out on upgrading my gaming rig until more of these pop up.


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