Nba 2k12.
12-13-11 | 10:31 AM
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Re: Nba 2k12.
Shannon Brown is out, and I had such a difficult time winning the game with the replacement guards. Lamar Odom is still there, but once he's gone, it will be doubly difficult to win against good players. They better get Howard or something great. Those trades suck for this Laker fan.
12-13-11 | 05:09 PM
#152
DVD Talk God
Re: Nba 2k12.
2K will release a new patch in the next 24 hours. Here are some of the fixes:
ONLINE
■Fixed an issue that would cause large-user Team-Up games to hang at halftime if all users watched the halftime show in-full.
■Addressed an issue that would lead to a disconnect in subsequent games when one or more users modified their playbook for the current game.
■A number of Association: Online optimizations were made to greatly minimize disconnects.
■Additionally, general optimization improvements were made in order to improve the overall online experience.
GENERAL
■The ‘Back to Back to Back’ and ‘My All-Star’ trophies/achievements should now unlock under the proper conditions.
■Previously unlocked NBA’s Greatest games and ‘Gift with Purchase’ Kings/Warriors teams will now remain unlocked after playing and exiting the Association/My Player game modes.
■Fixed an issue where the roster would become corrupt when attempting to enter the ‘Legends Showcase’ with unsaved roster changes.
■Fixed a rare issue that would cause the game to hang when attempting to skip the pre-game presentation in Season and Playoff modes.
■Corrected an issue where players could become duplicated after editing a Created Team.
■“PIPPEN” dunk package has been updated so that it can be re-assigned to Pippen when switched off of him.
■Addressed issue where Created Players are assigned Cold Zones for all shot locations. This change applies for all generated players in Association/My Player modes as well.
■The Adidas Zig Pro Future and ZigEncore shoes should now have the correct shoe image associated with them.
GAMEPLAY
■Increased the velocity of lob passes into the post so they are less vulnerable to tips and steals.
■Reduced steal success when the defender attempts a steal from behind the ballhandler.
■Tuned player lunges on steal attempts such that they don’t cover an unrealistic amount of ground.
■Tuned AI passes from the wing down into the post. The AI is now smarter during this situation, specifically where the perimeter defender is sagging off the ballhandler in anticipation of this pass.
■Corrected an issue where during online gameplay, a shot ball would ‘re-launch’ even after it had been blocked.
■Tuned AI playcalling during late-game situations so that they initiate plays faster.
■Fixed an issue where the CPU ballhandler would take too long to pass (or in some cases, not pass the ball at all) when running a play in My Player.
■Addressed an issue where the user would inadvertently commit an intentional foul with a defender when attempting to contest a shot with his hands up.
■Tuned animation selection that would cause a player to lose forward momentum when attempting a Swat Block.
■Addressed a specific case where attempting a pass fake would cause the pass to be thrown.
■8-second violations will no longer be called when the ball is poked loose and enters the backcourt.
■Training Camp: Triple Threat drill score requirements lowered in order to make it a little easier to complete the drill.
■Legends Showcase: Fixed a hang that would occur when the AI would recover a loose ball by diving for the ball and then sitting idle with it.
■Legends Showcase: Addressed a case where players who did not meet the requirements were able to throw a flashy pass.
MY PLAYER
■Corrected an issue where the game would hang after winning the NBA Finals in My Player mode.
■Trading logic has been greatly improved in this mode. In particular, your team’s GM will no longer overhaul the roster once you join the team.
■Your team’s GM will now do a better job of acquiring one of your recommended players when he comes to you asking for potential trade targets. Be careful what you ask for!
■Fixed an issue where both teams in a game would be using the wrong playbooks on occasion.
■A few select season-long milestones (e.g. Shoot 85% or better from the free throw line) should now properly unlock when the prerequisite conditions are met.
■The camera should now properly follow the action in your Signature Shoe Commercial.
THE ASSOCIATION
■A number of trade logic improvements have been made for this experience (these apply to Association: Online as well).
■Addressed the CPU lineup building / player role allocation such that players no longer become unnecessarily upset with the direction of their respective teams.
■New coaching staff is now generated when you get many years into the mode. This will result in sufficiently skilled coaches available to be hired.
ONLINE
■Fixed an issue that would cause large-user Team-Up games to hang at halftime if all users watched the halftime show in-full.
■Addressed an issue that would lead to a disconnect in subsequent games when one or more users modified their playbook for the current game.
■A number of Association: Online optimizations were made to greatly minimize disconnects.
■Additionally, general optimization improvements were made in order to improve the overall online experience.
GENERAL
■The ‘Back to Back to Back’ and ‘My All-Star’ trophies/achievements should now unlock under the proper conditions.
■Previously unlocked NBA’s Greatest games and ‘Gift with Purchase’ Kings/Warriors teams will now remain unlocked after playing and exiting the Association/My Player game modes.
■Fixed an issue where the roster would become corrupt when attempting to enter the ‘Legends Showcase’ with unsaved roster changes.
■Fixed a rare issue that would cause the game to hang when attempting to skip the pre-game presentation in Season and Playoff modes.
■Corrected an issue where players could become duplicated after editing a Created Team.
■“PIPPEN” dunk package has been updated so that it can be re-assigned to Pippen when switched off of him.
■Addressed issue where Created Players are assigned Cold Zones for all shot locations. This change applies for all generated players in Association/My Player modes as well.
■The Adidas Zig Pro Future and ZigEncore shoes should now have the correct shoe image associated with them.
GAMEPLAY
■Increased the velocity of lob passes into the post so they are less vulnerable to tips and steals.
■Reduced steal success when the defender attempts a steal from behind the ballhandler.
■Tuned player lunges on steal attempts such that they don’t cover an unrealistic amount of ground.
■Tuned AI passes from the wing down into the post. The AI is now smarter during this situation, specifically where the perimeter defender is sagging off the ballhandler in anticipation of this pass.
■Corrected an issue where during online gameplay, a shot ball would ‘re-launch’ even after it had been blocked.
■Tuned AI playcalling during late-game situations so that they initiate plays faster.
■Fixed an issue where the CPU ballhandler would take too long to pass (or in some cases, not pass the ball at all) when running a play in My Player.
■Addressed an issue where the user would inadvertently commit an intentional foul with a defender when attempting to contest a shot with his hands up.
■Tuned animation selection that would cause a player to lose forward momentum when attempting a Swat Block.
■Addressed a specific case where attempting a pass fake would cause the pass to be thrown.
■8-second violations will no longer be called when the ball is poked loose and enters the backcourt.
■Training Camp: Triple Threat drill score requirements lowered in order to make it a little easier to complete the drill.
■Legends Showcase: Fixed a hang that would occur when the AI would recover a loose ball by diving for the ball and then sitting idle with it.
■Legends Showcase: Addressed a case where players who did not meet the requirements were able to throw a flashy pass.
MY PLAYER
■Corrected an issue where the game would hang after winning the NBA Finals in My Player mode.
■Trading logic has been greatly improved in this mode. In particular, your team’s GM will no longer overhaul the roster once you join the team.
■Your team’s GM will now do a better job of acquiring one of your recommended players when he comes to you asking for potential trade targets. Be careful what you ask for!
■Fixed an issue where both teams in a game would be using the wrong playbooks on occasion.
■A few select season-long milestones (e.g. Shoot 85% or better from the free throw line) should now properly unlock when the prerequisite conditions are met.
■The camera should now properly follow the action in your Signature Shoe Commercial.
THE ASSOCIATION
■A number of trade logic improvements have been made for this experience (these apply to Association: Online as well).
■Addressed the CPU lineup building / player role allocation such that players no longer become unnecessarily upset with the direction of their respective teams.
■New coaching staff is now generated when you get many years into the mode. This will result in sufficiently skilled coaches available to be hired.
12-13-11 | 08:09 PM
#153
DVD Talk Godfather
Re: Nba 2k12.
Shannon Brown is out, and I had such a difficult time winning the game with the replacement guards. Lamar Odom is still there, but once he's gone, it will be doubly difficult to win against good players. They better get Howard or something great. Those trades suck for this Laker fan.
12-13-11 | 11:14 PM
#154
Re: Nba 2k12.
I'm curious about the My Player mode. Did they fix the All-Star game selection? Last year I led in scoring, rebounding, blocks, won player of the month almost every month and did not get selected to the All-Star game. I was wondering if the All-Star selection depended on your stats instead of how you answer the questions.
12-15-11 | 01:39 PM
#155
DVD Talk God
Re: Nba 2k12.
NBA 2K12's facebook just posted that the newest roster/rookie updates are now available.
Here they are
Here are the changes from roster updates as of this time:
■Ron Artest - name change to Metta World Peace
■Caron Butler - FA signing LA Clippers
■Tyson Chandler - traded from DAL to NY Knicks
■Andy Rautins - traded from NY to Dallas
■Ronny Turiaf - traded from New York to Washington Wizards (via Dallas)
■Brandon Roy - retired
■Glen Davis - traded from BOS to Orlando
■Brandon Bass - traded from ORL to Boston
■Shane Battier - FA signing Miami Heat
■Eddy Curry - FA signing Miami Heat
■Shannon Brown - FA signing Phoenix Suns
■Vince Carter - Waived from Phoenix Suns
■Sebastian Telfair - FA signing Phoenix Suns
■Richard Hamilton - Waived from Detroit Pistons
■Tracy McGrady - FA signing Atlanta Hawks
■Chauncey Billups - Amnesty Clause
■Roger Mason - FA signing Washington Wizards
■Derrick Brown - FA signing Charlotte Bobcats
■T.J. Ford - FA signing San Antonio Spurs
■Chuck Hayes - FA signing Sacramento Kings
■Jamaal Magloire - FA signing Toronto Raptors
■Vladimir Radmanovic - FA signing Atlanta Hawks
■Brandan Wright - FA signing Dallas Mavericks
■Kyrie Irving - draft pick signed Cleveland Cavaliers
■Tristan Thompson - draft pick signed Cleveland Cavaliers
■Kenneth Faried - draft pick signed Denver Nuggets
■Jordan Hamilton - draft pick signed Denver Nuggets
■Keyon Dooling - traded from MIL to Boston Celtics
■Mike Dunleavy - FA signing Milwaukee Bucks
■Mike Bibby - FA signing New York Knicks
■Aaron Gray - FA signing Toronto Raptors
■Lamar Odom - traded from LAL to Dallas
■David West - FA signing Indiana Pacers
■Kurt Thomas - FA signing Portland Trail Blazers
■Damien Wilkins - FA signing Detroit Pistons
■Jason Kapono - FA signing LA Lakers
■Rasual Butler - FA signing Toronto Raptors
■Derrick Williams - draft pick signing Minnesota Timberwolves
■Brandon Knight - draft pick signed Detroit Pistons
■Jimmer Fredette - draft pick signed Sacramento Kings
■Kawhi Leonard - draft pick signed San Antonio Spurs
■Kemba Walker - draft pick signed Charlotte Bobcats
■MarShon Brooks - draft pick signed New Jersey Nets
■Tobias Harris - draft pick signed Milwaukee Bucks
■Nolan Smith - draft pick signed Portland Trail Blazers
■Gani Lawal - draft pick signed San Antonio Spurs
■Chauncey Billups - Amnesty bid by Los Angeles Clippers
■Enes Kanter - drat pick signed Utah Jazz
■Jan Vesely - draft pick signed Washington Wizards
■Alec Burks - draft pick signed Utah Jazz
■Markieff Morris - draft pick signed Phoenix Suns
■Marcus Morris - draft pick signed Houston Rockets
■Nikola Vucevis - draft pick signed Philadelphia 76ers
■Iman Shumpert - draft pick signed New York Knicks
■Reggie Jackson - draft pick signed Oklahoma City Thunder
■Chris Wilcox - FA signing Boston Celtics
■Marquis Daniels - FA signing Boston Celtics
■Anthony Carter - FA signing Toronto Raptors
■Jeremy Lin - FA signing Houston Rockets
■Kwame Brown - FA signing Golden State Warriors
■Vince Carter - FA signing Dallas Mavericks
■Delonte West - FA signing Dallas Mavericks
■Rudy Fernandez - traded from DAL to Denver Nuggets
■Corey Brewer - traded from DAL to Denver Nuggets
■Gary Forbes - FA signing Toronto Raptors
■Klay Thompson - draft pick signed Golden State Warriors
■J.J. Barea - FA signing Minnesota Timberwolves
■Charlie Bell - Amnesty Clause Golden State Warriors
■Lazar Hayward - traded from MIN to Oklahoma City Thunder
■Robert Vaden - waived from Minnesota Timberwolves
■Ronnie Price - FA signing Phoenix Suns
■Zabian Dowdell - waived Phoenix Suns
■Josh McRoberts - FA signing Los Angeles Lakers
■Shelden Williams - FA signing New Jersey Nets
■Chris Paul - traded from NO to Los Angeles Clippers
■Eric Gordon - traded from LAC to New Orleans
■Chris Kaman - traded from LAC to New Orleans
■Al-Farouq Aminu - traded from LAC to New Orleans
Here they are
Here are the changes from roster updates as of this time:
■Ron Artest - name change to Metta World Peace
■Caron Butler - FA signing LA Clippers
■Tyson Chandler - traded from DAL to NY Knicks
■Andy Rautins - traded from NY to Dallas
■Ronny Turiaf - traded from New York to Washington Wizards (via Dallas)
■Brandon Roy - retired
■Glen Davis - traded from BOS to Orlando
■Brandon Bass - traded from ORL to Boston
■Shane Battier - FA signing Miami Heat
■Eddy Curry - FA signing Miami Heat
■Shannon Brown - FA signing Phoenix Suns
■Vince Carter - Waived from Phoenix Suns
■Sebastian Telfair - FA signing Phoenix Suns
■Richard Hamilton - Waived from Detroit Pistons
■Tracy McGrady - FA signing Atlanta Hawks
■Chauncey Billups - Amnesty Clause
■Roger Mason - FA signing Washington Wizards
■Derrick Brown - FA signing Charlotte Bobcats
■T.J. Ford - FA signing San Antonio Spurs
■Chuck Hayes - FA signing Sacramento Kings
■Jamaal Magloire - FA signing Toronto Raptors
■Vladimir Radmanovic - FA signing Atlanta Hawks
■Brandan Wright - FA signing Dallas Mavericks
■Kyrie Irving - draft pick signed Cleveland Cavaliers
■Tristan Thompson - draft pick signed Cleveland Cavaliers
■Kenneth Faried - draft pick signed Denver Nuggets
■Jordan Hamilton - draft pick signed Denver Nuggets
■Keyon Dooling - traded from MIL to Boston Celtics
■Mike Dunleavy - FA signing Milwaukee Bucks
■Mike Bibby - FA signing New York Knicks
■Aaron Gray - FA signing Toronto Raptors
■Lamar Odom - traded from LAL to Dallas
■David West - FA signing Indiana Pacers
■Kurt Thomas - FA signing Portland Trail Blazers
■Damien Wilkins - FA signing Detroit Pistons
■Jason Kapono - FA signing LA Lakers
■Rasual Butler - FA signing Toronto Raptors
■Derrick Williams - draft pick signing Minnesota Timberwolves
■Brandon Knight - draft pick signed Detroit Pistons
■Jimmer Fredette - draft pick signed Sacramento Kings
■Kawhi Leonard - draft pick signed San Antonio Spurs
■Kemba Walker - draft pick signed Charlotte Bobcats
■MarShon Brooks - draft pick signed New Jersey Nets
■Tobias Harris - draft pick signed Milwaukee Bucks
■Nolan Smith - draft pick signed Portland Trail Blazers
■Gani Lawal - draft pick signed San Antonio Spurs
■Chauncey Billups - Amnesty bid by Los Angeles Clippers
■Enes Kanter - drat pick signed Utah Jazz
■Jan Vesely - draft pick signed Washington Wizards
■Alec Burks - draft pick signed Utah Jazz
■Markieff Morris - draft pick signed Phoenix Suns
■Marcus Morris - draft pick signed Houston Rockets
■Nikola Vucevis - draft pick signed Philadelphia 76ers
■Iman Shumpert - draft pick signed New York Knicks
■Reggie Jackson - draft pick signed Oklahoma City Thunder
■Chris Wilcox - FA signing Boston Celtics
■Marquis Daniels - FA signing Boston Celtics
■Anthony Carter - FA signing Toronto Raptors
■Jeremy Lin - FA signing Houston Rockets
■Kwame Brown - FA signing Golden State Warriors
■Vince Carter - FA signing Dallas Mavericks
■Delonte West - FA signing Dallas Mavericks
■Rudy Fernandez - traded from DAL to Denver Nuggets
■Corey Brewer - traded from DAL to Denver Nuggets
■Gary Forbes - FA signing Toronto Raptors
■Klay Thompson - draft pick signed Golden State Warriors
■J.J. Barea - FA signing Minnesota Timberwolves
■Charlie Bell - Amnesty Clause Golden State Warriors
■Lazar Hayward - traded from MIN to Oklahoma City Thunder
■Robert Vaden - waived from Minnesota Timberwolves
■Ronnie Price - FA signing Phoenix Suns
■Zabian Dowdell - waived Phoenix Suns
■Josh McRoberts - FA signing Los Angeles Lakers
■Shelden Williams - FA signing New Jersey Nets
■Chris Paul - traded from NO to Los Angeles Clippers
■Eric Gordon - traded from LAC to New Orleans
■Chris Kaman - traded from LAC to New Orleans
■Al-Farouq Aminu - traded from LAC to New Orleans
12-15-11 | 02:04 PM
#156
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: Nba 2k12.
Awesome, draft picks are coming in. Now, just to figure out who to play association mode with. Last year I did the Wizards, but might change it up this time.
12-15-11 | 03:20 PM
#157
DVD Talk God
Re: Nba 2k12.
Just an FYI for those interested in this game, but haven't pull the trigger to get it because of price. Amazon just dropped the price to $39.96.
12-15-11 | 03:28 PM
#158
DVD Talk Godfather
12-15-11 | 04:01 PM
#159
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Nba 2k12.
Probably just price matching Best Buy.
01-04-12 | 01:11 PM
#160
DVD Talk Godfather
Re: Nba 2k12.
So I've been re-addicted to My Player on this incarnation. Anybody else playing through the mode again? One thing I cannot seem to figure out is defense. It seems like you just need to stay in front of your man to get the "good defensive play" bonus, but this is at times almost impossible when you're skating around the court. I wonder if it's the camera angle I'm using (I still use the 2k one) that makes it hard to judge shooting angles.
Also disappointing is this bug where apparently draft order every year after the 1st is determined alphabetically, with the 76ers getting the 1st pick. Every single year. If I had known that in the beginning, I might have stayed with them, since they drafted my player.
Also disappointing is this bug where apparently draft order every year after the 1st is determined alphabetically, with the 76ers getting the 1st pick. Every single year. If I had known that in the beginning, I might have stayed with them, since they drafted my player.
02-22-12 | 02:06 AM
#161
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Nba 2k12.
I finally tried this game out after getting it last November.
I should have left it sealed.
Don't get me wrong, the presentation is fantastic, and it's a fun game, but I have been playing My Player mode, and it's frustrating as hell.
I'll be lucky to get 100-200 skills points a game. I keep getting penalized for leaving my assignment, bad steal attempts, bad block attempts, turnovers, fouls, etc.
That and my guy cannot shoot for shit. Last year, you could be a PG and kind of breeze through. Now the controls are all different (press the Left trigger while rotating the right stick in a circle, and pressing up while farting the theme from Star Wars). It's a joke. I swear I almost threw my controller.
Anyhow, this can't be traded in soon enough, and it's a shame because I really liked it.
I should have left it sealed.
Don't get me wrong, the presentation is fantastic, and it's a fun game, but I have been playing My Player mode, and it's frustrating as hell.
I'll be lucky to get 100-200 skills points a game. I keep getting penalized for leaving my assignment, bad steal attempts, bad block attempts, turnovers, fouls, etc.
That and my guy cannot shoot for shit. Last year, you could be a PG and kind of breeze through. Now the controls are all different (press the Left trigger while rotating the right stick in a circle, and pressing up while farting the theme from Star Wars). It's a joke. I swear I almost threw my controller.
Anyhow, this can't be traded in soon enough, and it's a shame because I really liked it.
02-22-12 | 03:19 AM
#162
DVD Talk God
Re: Nba 2k12.
^^^ Why don't you just play a regular season mode? That's what I have been doing and I'm loving it. I think I'm getting alot of bang for my buck doing that.
So you want to get rid of the game ASAP because you hate the My Player Mode?
And what about the Legends Mode where you can play and Unlock the Retro Teams? Does that not float your boat? I love playing as the retro Lakers teams.
So you want to get rid of the game ASAP because you hate the My Player Mode?
And what about the Legends Mode where you can play and Unlock the Retro Teams? Does that not float your boat? I love playing as the retro Lakers teams.
02-22-12 | 08:01 AM
#163
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: Nba 2k12.
I'll be lucky to get 100-200 skills points a game. I keep getting penalized for leaving my assignment, bad steal attempts, bad block attempts, turnovers, fouls, etc.
That and my guy cannot shoot for shit. Last year, you could be a PG and kind of breeze through. Now the controls are all different (press the Left trigger while rotating the right stick in a circle, and pressing up while farting the theme from Star Wars). It's a joke. I swear I almost threw my controller.
Anyhow, this can't be traded in soon enough, and it's a shame because I really liked it.
That and my guy cannot shoot for shit. Last year, you could be a PG and kind of breeze through. Now the controls are all different (press the Left trigger while rotating the right stick in a circle, and pressing up while farting the theme from Star Wars). It's a joke. I swear I almost threw my controller.
Anyhow, this can't be traded in soon enough, and it's a shame because I really liked it.
^^^ Why don't you just play a regular season mode? That's what I have been doing and I'm loving it. I think I'm getting alot of bang for my buck doing that.
So you want to get rid of the game ASAP because you hate the My Player Mode?
And what about the Legends Mode where you can play and Unlock the Retro Teams? Does that not float your boat? I love playing as the retro Lakers teams.
So you want to get rid of the game ASAP because you hate the My Player Mode?
And what about the Legends Mode where you can play and Unlock the Retro Teams? Does that not float your boat? I love playing as the retro Lakers teams.
Nickdawgy, that's my #1 gripe with the game as well. I've never cared for the myplayer mode because of all the issues you state. I understand they want to make it realistic but they do it at the sake of being fun. Furthermore, they force to use the analog sticks for shooting but for the rest of the game modes, you can stick to more traditional control means.
However, in the same breath, I do enjoy the other game modes. Retro is a blast and season/association mode once you get about 10-15 games into it is a lot of fun. Yes My player is flawed because it is engineered only for the hardcore, not the casual but the game still has enough merit to get your kicks elsewhere.
02-22-12 | 03:11 PM
#165
DVD Talk Godfather
Re: Nba 2k12.
I've been addicted to MyPlayer mode this year, just like last year, and while it still has it's drawbacks (for instance, I don't see how people can play as anything but a PG), it's basically an RPG where you slowly but surely get better and better as you sink more and more points into attributes. All I can say is up your mid range shot as soon as possible, either through points or through drills, and be very careful with the ball. Upping your shot will help you get more attribute points as you can catch and shoot when you're halfway open. Set screens when off the ball. Turn off playcalling so you can run your own plays (if you're a PG). Also, that left/right Olajuwan-esque post shot is very valuable. On defense, don't leave your man no matter what, you don't have to try for the block every time, you can get some points by just staying in front of your man when he shoots. Don't steal except for passing lanes until your steals are up.
There are big flaws. If you up the difficulty, it just makes your teammates dumber. There is apparently a bug where no matter what the draft goes in alphabetical order (with the 76ers getting the first pick every year), though I haven't gotten to the post season yet. You cannot sim individual games, unless you choose to only do key games (and you should really play every game early on to up your stats).
On the plus side, because you stink so badly in the beginning, you don't have to invest a lot of time per game because you won't play as much, so you can do a little here and a little there.
There are big flaws. If you up the difficulty, it just makes your teammates dumber. There is apparently a bug where no matter what the draft goes in alphabetical order (with the 76ers getting the first pick every year), though I haven't gotten to the post season yet. You cannot sim individual games, unless you choose to only do key games (and you should really play every game early on to up your stats).
On the plus side, because you stink so badly in the beginning, you don't have to invest a lot of time per game because you won't play as much, so you can do a little here and a little there.
04-05-12 | 06:01 PM
#166
DVD Talk Godfather
Re: Nba 2k12.
I can't believe they still haven't fixed the draft bug... at this point, I can probably give up hope for another patch, right? Ugh.
07-12-12 | 07:38 PM
#167
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Nba 2k12.
For those who have played the My Player mode, did anyone just play key games and level up their player at a reasonable rate? Or do you have to play most games for it to be worth it?
Anyone get to the Hall of Fame? If so, how long did it take?
Anyone get to the Hall of Fame? If so, how long did it take?
