I'm pretty sure I said that I don't think they're valid, and I still don't. My comment should have no bearing on what you feel. I will not be buying anything else from them until they can prove to me they are serious.

Their target audience imo are people who are impressed by the gimmicks they come out with (not everyone who plays it, just what they are shooting for). I am not one of those people. While they have some decent 1st party games, there is an awful lot of shovelware. I guess I am just used to the old days where the nintendo seal of approval almost always meant it was a great game, now they put their seal on everything.

You're looking back with rose colored glasses. There was something like 800 NES games to sport the Nintendo Seal, how many of those were really even good games, let alone great? All the seal meant was it was officially licensed, in other words Nintendo collected a check. It was a great marketing tool though, back in the day, I'll give them that.

I think Nintendo is very innovative, but they don't always have their finger on the pulse of what gamers are looking for. I give them props for trying new things, trying to push the envelope, etc. I'm sort of tired of the MS/Sony "innovation" which seems to just be better graphics, more blood, more power. I've been playing games for a long time and Nintendo is usually the ones making a "leap" that keep me coming back to play. Sure they have misses, but they also have hits. Most of the time, their hits move the gaming industry forward, and I like that.

It's just my opinion, but it seems the innovations coming through on games from MS/Sony are small compared to what Nintendo does consistently. Where MS really showed a knack for pushing stuff forward was their online experience. People were clearly looking to connect online and play games. Nintendo has consistently missed the mark here. But as far as gameplay, Nintendo is far more inventive (again, just my opinion).

I never buy a console on launch anymore, but I am curious to see what Nintendo has up their sleeve this time.

That's on the third party game designers not MS or Sony. I can't think of a single franchise from either company that specializes in "blood."

Lest we forget that up until the Wii, Nintendo was just as focused on better graphics and more power with each system. It's standard protocol.

God of War 3, anyone?

No, you're right, I think I made my point poorly. I guess as I grow older and have played games for a long time, I'm looking for companies/developers to "try different things", and I am less impressed with COD 1 vs. COD 2 or 3 or 4, as I find myself getting bored with lack of innovation. I just feel Nintendo's heart is in the right place, even if they fail 50% of the time. With the sony's and MS's, i feel like pushing more power is all they care about. Again, it's my opinion, you can disagree, no worries. I also feel my opinion has changed the longer I play games. (I guess I used to consider myself what people refer to as a hardcore gamer, but I don't think I am anymore so my opinion is likely to be different from others).

Touché. I knew there would be an obvious one I was missing. The point still stands though, that's a single franchise out of many.

It never meant that. There has be some serious crap on every system ever made (Except for the Dreamcast of course).

Everyone loves the Dreamcast, even though it had one of the most horrifically designed controllers. Every button and stick on that thing was designed to destroy your fingertips. I loved mine, but the rose colored glasses we judge that system by are crazy.

^ The only controller worse than the Dual Shock.

I was poking fun at those people. I never even owned a Dreamcast, but when I would play at my friends house I hated the controler. So painful.

The Atari Jaguar would like a word with you.

And the Colecovision.



I remember as a 5 year old how my cousin had a Colecovision and was always boasting how superior it was to my Atari 2600, but I could never get over how retarded the controller was.

Both of you suck - speaking ill of the best system ever!

I actually liked the DC controller.

Not sure if this has been posted yet but another rumor i heard:


- The console is confirmed to be backwards compatible with all Wii/Gamecube titles, and all your VC games will be transferred over once you link your credit card to the system

Not sure how i'd feel putting my credit card on Nintendos' servers especially after the fuck up with psn.

Methinks they'll clarify that at E3. I've never linked a cc with my Wii, so are will they serve me? Hey! What about my MyNintendo ID!? Nah, that's too crazy!

I don't have tiny girlie hands so it was carpal tunnel in the making.

Yeah, I wasn't really a fan of the Dreamcast controller either. The analog stick didn't have a rubbery coating, the D-pad was mushy, and didn't the buttons have raised lettering on them? I also hated how the cord came out on the bottom so they could fit that VMU in there.

At least it had good analog triggers.

Just dispute the charges

It should be easy for them to do w/o credit card. All my VC purchases (and 1st party titles I register) are all stored on nintendo.com once I linked my nintendo.com account to my console. Should be a way to use that infrastructure.

The Dreamcast controller was great. The only bad thing was the bottom cord on the controller.

Analog shoulder buttons, nice and grippy, decent d-pad, good analog stick.

At least there was a little "hook" at the top of the controller for the chord. Were the shoulder buttons analog? I always though the gamecube did that first.

Yes, the triggers were analog. I remember NBA 2K introduced the concept of aiming free throws by pulling them a certain amount, with worse shooters requiring more precision.

I loved that feature.