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Old 03-22-12 | 05:53 AM
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Good video, but I had to laugh at the trotting out of the tired "fanboys" label from the guy who spends his time making videos with nonstop nerd-culture references. Are those the people who did do the sidequests and don't get paid to make snarky videos about the experience?
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So there's this...

http://www.gamekicker.com/gaming-new...versial-ending

Purportedly one of the main ME3 writers slams the ending and explains how it was basically taken away from the writers and Casey Hudson did it all himself. Not sure if legit, but if it is, it does seem to explain a LOT of the problems I had with the way the story concluded.
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Originally Posted by chuckd21
So there's this...

http://www.gamekicker.com/gaming-new...versial-ending

Purportedly one of the main ME3 writers slams the ending and explains how it was basically taken away from the writers and Casey Hudson did it all himself. Not sure if legit, but if it is, it does seem to explain a LOT of the problems I had with the way the story concluded.
I haven't read this yet, but just the premise of it strikes me the wrong way. They really need a unified front on this and no one should be playing the blame game, especially when there's really nothing to defend. If it was "taken" away, that issue should be handled internally and they could have a whole lot of "I told you so, Casey!"s in the board room.
Old 03-22-12 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by pinata242
I haven't read this yet, but just the premise of it strikes me the wrong way. They really need a unified front on this and no one should be playing the blame game, especially when there's really nothing to defend. If it was "taken" away, that issue should be handled internally and they could have a whole lot of "I told you so, Casey!"s in the board room.
Seems like it was just one of those "moments of uncontrollable frustration" if it's an actual writer posting his thoughts to the internet, as all his comments have been scrubbed. The article grabbed it before it was erased.

Not saying he was right to vent publicly either, but I can certainly understand the level of frustration if he's saying the writing staff wanted to do right by everyone and it was taken away from them for no sensible reason.

Personally I'm starting to think this was all the plan from the beginning... controversy for the sake of publicity.
Old 03-22-12 | 08:44 AM
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Personally I'm starting to think this was all the plan from the beginning... controversy for the sake of publicity.
Yes, because as we all know, no one was going to buy the game otherwise.
Old 03-22-12 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckd21
So there's this...

http://www.gamekicker.com/gaming-new...versial-ending

Purportedly one of the main ME3 writers slams the ending and explains how it was basically taken away from the writers and Casey Hudson did it all himself. Not sure if legit, but if it is, it does seem to explain a LOT of the problems I had with the way the story concluded.
So this is a ego thing for Casey Hudson isn't it? Mac Walters was the lead writer was he not?
Old 03-22-12 | 09:00 AM
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Yes, because as we all know, no one was going to buy the game otherwise.
Total Biscuits talked about this last week, Negative buzz and press is great. Look at how long Bioware and Mass Effect has been in the search engines/public mind, every day there are new conversations popping up about the ending, about the creative control process (Do fans have the right to demand new endings etc).

If Mass Effect would have had that 'great' ending from the start, would it still be in the headlines? No.

Brilliant move by Bioware honestly (IF they eventually fix this)
Old 03-22-12 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by superdeluxe
Total Biscuits talked about this last week, Negative buzz and press is great. Look at how long Bioware and Mass Effect has been in the search engines/public mind, every day there are new conversations popping up about the ending, about the creative control process (Do fans have the right to demand new endings etc).

If Mass Effect would have had that 'great' ending from the start, would it still be in the headlines? No.

Brilliant move by Bioware honestly (IF they eventually fix this)
Okay.
Old 03-22-12 | 09:37 AM
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Okay.

Old 03-22-12 | 11:12 AM
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its been a while since i played ME2.
i wish the had a small tutorial in the beginning of the game.
How do you know when the cooldown period for a power is over?
Is it the same timer for all the powers?
Old 03-22-12 | 11:29 AM
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I doubt that there's a single person that has held off playing because of that. Though it might be cool for multiple play-throughs. I was able to re-create my Shepard pretty darn close, so no big thang.
I waited a week and change to see if they could sort it out, but then jumped in recreating my Shep as best I could.

Just beat the game about an hour ago, and maybe it was because I was expecting the worse, but I liked the ending just fine. I do recognize some of the flaws that have been pointed out, but they just don't bother me. As has been mentioned earlier in this thread, Mass Effect invokes a lot of the themes that were in Babylon 5, so I filled in some of the gaps left in ME with B5 logic.

One thing I think people are not giving the ending credit for is context. The context of the decision you make informs what the ending means to you. My ending means one thing to me because I picked X, but would mean something different to me if I picked Y -- even with the same imagery.

And more importantly, I do not subscribe to the notion that a bonk ending negates an awesome journey. So even if fans have a legitimate gripe with the ending, all of this bullshit about getting their money back, and wishing ill on Bioware is just lame as hell to me. Now I understand how fans to the end of LOST feel.

That said, here is a pretty big let down I did have with the game:

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I found the entire mission on Earth to be a snore fest. London was just boring compared to what you see during the rest of the game. This game talked about the fight coming to Earth, but that aspect of the game was not well realized. Well well realized for the motivations of our heroes, but not in the actual setting we saw on Earth. I just think how EPIC the end of ME1 was fighting on the side of the Citadel, and I don't think the series has been able to capture that again. It has come close, but that is still a high point for me.

I know Bioware used the setting for a Fallout game, but I think it would have been much cooler to have the final showdown be in a futuristic Washington. Have you fight along the mall. Maybe that would have been cheesy and obvious, but anything would have been better than the drab boring London we got. It was especially bad when you consider how neat the other places you visit in the game are.

Old 03-22-12 | 11:34 AM
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One more thing about the ending

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I'm not upset that every choice I made doesn't factor into the ending, but it does make me feel a little silly going out of my way to get a really good galactic readiness. I'm really curious if the ending of the game would have been different (maybe characters would have died?) if I just played through the main campaign and skipped a lot of the sidequests. The side quest missions were fun, so I didn't mind though, but running around the Citadel playing messanger, and scanning planets was not exactly fun. I would have rather not done the bulk of that.



And the best thing in the whole game was ragarding Tali

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Her getting drunk and calling a straw what she called it was great. I don't use her in my party, but I enjoyed her a lot in this game.
Old 03-22-12 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by boredsilly
One more thing about the ending

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I'm not upset that every choice I made doesn't factor into the ending, but it does make me feel a little silly going out of my way to get a really good galactic readiness. I'm really curious if the ending of the game would have been different (maybe characters would have died?) if I just played through the main campaign and skipped a lot of the sidequests. The side quest missions were fun, so I didn't mind though, but running around the Citadel playing messanger, and scanning planets was not exactly fun. I would have rather not done the bulk of that.

Absolutely nothing would have changed. That's a big part of what people are griping about. The only difference is that if your readiness number is high enough,
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AND you pick the Renegade (destroy Reapers) option, you get an extra short cutscene in which Shepard's body (not face, just armor) is seen lying among the rubble in London (?). S/he takes a breath before the scene cuts to credits.
Old 03-22-12 | 07:00 PM
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I've got two questions about ME3. First I've played boith 1&2...."2" just being downright fun and a joy to play. I decided not to get "3" right away but now thinking of grabbing it since two others have it and want to do the coop play thru.

(1)....How is coop and does it work ok with the storyline or just how does it fit in?

(2)....what's up with everyone ragging the "final"? I've gone over to Amazon and about everyone and I mean everyone is ripping the last hour of the game. I've tried not to read much into it fearing some big spoiler. Basically it's like one put it..."the game is a (4.5 of 5) up to the last hour which after that it's a (2 of 5)"

I'm now wondering if I should bother getting "3" and just go back and play ME2 with some new DLC.
Old 03-22-12 | 07:17 PM
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There is no co-op. There's multiplayer, which will allow you to up stats in the game. It's basically like "horde" mode from the Gears of War games. On a team with 3 other players, and you progress through levels.

Many people were disappointed on how the game ended. That's what all the negative reviews are for.
Old 03-22-12 | 07:28 PM
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Co-op is horde mode, up to 4 players. It has 6 maps, all very similar and recycled from the single-player campaign, and it's basically just survival with a couple (and I do mean only a couple) of different objectives sometimes randomly thrown into waves along with the fighting. It's 11 waves I think, with 3 different enemy types that you can choose from (Cerberus, Reaper, Geth), and whichever you choose will be the only enemy type you'll see in the current game. There are three different difficulty levels (bronze, silver, and gold) and even bronze can be a challenge depending on your build and level.

Based on your performance, you earn credits, XP, and "galactic readiness." Credits are used to unlock more multiplayer content (weapons, mods, characters/classes), although you only get to buy what's essentially a "grab bag" that unlocks random combinations of the above depending on how many credits you spend. They also conveniently included the option to buy more content with MSP rather than earned credits, which was thoughtful of them. XP and character progression works just like it does in the single-player, with 20 being the max level for any given character. Galactic Readiness is what purportedly has an effect on the single-player game, although -- in the interest of avoiding spoilers -- don't worry about it. Really, don't.

I found the multiplayer to be lazy and repetitive, offering little variety and clunky controls (as much as ME3 wants to be Gears of War in its combat, it's not), and ultimately not something I was interested in playing a minute more than I needed to. Your mileage may vary.
Old 03-22-12 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by K&AJones
I've got two questions about ME3. First I've played boith 1&2...."2" just being downright fun and a joy to play. I decided not to get "3" right away but now thinking of grabbing it since two others have it and want to do the coop play thru.

(1)....How is coop and does it work ok with the storyline or just how does it fit in?

(2)....what's up with everyone ragging the "final"? I've gone over to Amazon and about everyone and I mean everyone is ripping the last hour of the game. I've tried not to read much into it fearing some big spoiler. Basically it's like one put it..."the game is a (4.5 of 5) up to the last hour which after that it's a (2 of 5)"

I'm now wondering if I should bother getting "3" and just go back and play ME2 with some new DLC.
Honestly it is a great game until the last 3 minutes, I would wait till it goes on sale and once they release the dlc
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Honestly it is a great game until the last 3 minutes, I would wait till it goes on sale and once they release the dlc
I tend to wait for sales or for when games to come down in price, but if ever there was a game that is deserving of the full $60 price tag, ending not withstanding, Mass Effect is it. You get a lot of bang for your buck, and the amount of resources put into the game are more than deserving of full price IMHO. Not that games are measured on how many hours you play, or how many lines of dialog were recorded for them, but I feel like ME is a very quality title.
Old 03-22-12 | 10:12 PM
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I played 40+ hours on ME3 without touching MP or a second run. So, accounting for those "terrible" last 3 minutes, I'd say it's only worth $59.925.
Old 03-22-12 | 10:15 PM
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Okay, I don't play video games. Haven't in at least five years. But I do love philosophical science fiction. I was curious and watched the ending on Youtube. Loved them.
Old 03-22-12 | 11:46 PM
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Finally finished tonight. My thoughts/confusion on the ending:

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In the beginning I didn't even know which ending I chose....the little boy never said go right for this choice, left for this choice or down teh middle. I went down the middle and instead of it asking on the conversation wheel "do you want this ending" it just went cutscene. How the fuck are you supposed to know which alley led to which ending?

So the synthesis ending, the little star kid says everyone will survive and we'll all be a new organic/synthetic hybrid. Okay, cool. So everyone one earth survives and the relays get destroyed. Happy ending for everyone except who.....my romance option, Ashley. She steps off the Normandy at the end, a 3rd wheel on an unknown planet with Joker and EDI. REALLY!?!?!?! WTF!?!? The relays are gone, she can never get back to Earth where everyone else is rebuilding and talking up my sacrifice. The ending was kinda shitty but the ride was awesome!
Also, I looked up the other endings and there is very little difference...so which decisions you made in the game affected the journey, they sure as hell didn't affect the end.
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Seems like it was just one of those "moments of uncontrollable frustration" if it's an actual writer posting his thoughts to the internet, as all his comments have been scrubbed. The article grabbed it before it was erased.

Not saying he was right to vent publicly either, but I can certainly understand the level of frustration if he's saying the writing staff wanted to do right by everyone and it was taken away from them for no sensible reason.

Personally I'm starting to think this was all the plan from the beginning... controversy for the sake of publicity.
Makes sense. It just seems so hard to believe that the Mass Effect team was all on board with the ending, and no one even in QA or testing raised a red flag about the ending. Course, maybe they are so close to the source material that they can't stand back and see the trilogy as a whole from a gamer's perspective. Looks likes at least someone at Bioware would have anticipated a backlash from a shitty ending.
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Originally Posted by troystiffler
Okay, I don't play video games. Haven't in at least five years. But I do love philosophical science fiction. I was curious and watched the ending on Youtube. Loved them.
Taken out of context and without playing the series, the 'philosophical' endings work.
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Originally Posted by mewmartigan
Finally finished tonight. My thoughts/confusion on the ending:

Spoiler:
In the beginning I didn't even know which ending I chose....the little boy never said go right for this choice, left for this choice or down teh middle. I went down the middle and instead of it asking on the conversation wheel "do you want this ending" it just went cutscene. How the fuck are you supposed to know which alley led to which ending?

So the synthesis ending, the little star kid says everyone will survive and we'll all be a new organic/synthetic hybrid. Okay, cool. So everyone one earth survives and the relays get destroyed. Happy ending for everyone except who.....my romance option, Ashley. She steps off the Normandy at the end, a 3rd wheel on an unknown planet with Joker and EDI. REALLY!?!?!?! WTF!?!? The relays are gone, she can never get back to Earth where everyone else is rebuilding and talking up my sacrifice. The ending was kinda shitty but the ride was awesome!
Also, I looked up the other endings and there is very little difference...so which decisions you made in the game affected the journey, they sure as hell didn't affect the end.
Apparently Rannoch is 62k light years from Earth, and I guess you can travel 12 light years per day, means it would take over 5k years for the Quarian to get back to Rannoch.
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Originally Posted by superdeluxe
Apparently Rannoch is 62k light years from Earth, and I guess you can travel 12 light years per day, means it would take over 5k years for the Quarian to get back to Rannoch.
wait...am I reading that wrong? 62,000 light years....12 light years per day is 5 thousand days not years to get back


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