Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
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Joystiq: http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/04/kinect-review/
The Verdict
For all the talk of revolutionizing the Xbox 360 experience and making gaming more natural/ accessible, it's bordering on absurd how broken Kinect is when it comes to something as simple as working in your home. I find the technology itself fascinating, but the fact that I know a lot of people who simply won't get Kinect to work in their rooms beyond troubling. Given that Microsoft conducted a beta program with actual consumers, this issue is doubly surprising, but it could just be that Kinect just works that way (or doesn't, given your room) and there's no way short of redesigning the sensor to fix it.
If Kinect does work for you, congratulations: you have what amounts -- for now -- to a novelty peripheral that is in no way geared towards the day-one buyer or "core" gamer. Microsoft conceived a potential game-changer with Project Natal, it just seems like Kinect was born prematurely.
For all the talk of revolutionizing the Xbox 360 experience and making gaming more natural/ accessible, it's bordering on absurd how broken Kinect is when it comes to something as simple as working in your home. I find the technology itself fascinating, but the fact that I know a lot of people who simply won't get Kinect to work in their rooms beyond troubling. Given that Microsoft conducted a beta program with actual consumers, this issue is doubly surprising, but it could just be that Kinect just works that way (or doesn't, given your room) and there's no way short of redesigning the sensor to fix it.
If Kinect does work for you, congratulations: you have what amounts -- for now -- to a novelty peripheral that is in no way geared towards the day-one buyer or "core" gamer. Microsoft conceived a potential game-changer with Project Natal, it just seems like Kinect was born prematurely.
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I haven't checked Kotaku yet but the IGN hardware review doesn't sound good at all. Hard to set up, requiring a huge amount of space, big ugly camera and noticeable lag that might not bother non-gamers much, but potential to be useful in future games and cool navigation of menus. That's hardly a ringing endorsement
Check out their Joy Ride review. Bad steering controls and no ability to control acceleration or braking. Otherwise a pretty good racing game.
Check out their Joy Ride review. Bad steering controls and no ability to control acceleration or braking. Otherwise a pretty good racing game.
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I haven't checked Kotaku yet but the IGN hardware review doesn't sound good at all. Hard to set up, requiring a huge amount of space, big ugly camera and noticeable lag that might not bother non-gamers much, but potential to be useful in future games and cool navigation of menus. That's hardly a ringing endorsement
Check out their Joy Ride review. Bad steering controls and no ability to control acceleration or braking. Otherwise a pretty good racing game.
Check out their Joy Ride review. Bad steering controls and no ability to control acceleration or braking. Otherwise a pretty good racing game.

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Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
I haven't checked Kotaku yet but the IGN hardware review doesn't sound good at all. Hard to set up, requiring a huge amount of space, big ugly camera and noticeable lag that might not bother non-gamers much, but potential to be useful in future games and cool navigation of menus. That's hardly a ringing endorsement
Huge amount of what space? The camera is not even noticeable sitting in front of the bottom of my TV. Most Tv's are black, the camera is black, no problem.
I also have not experienced much lag on any games. Sure there is a bit here and there, but there kind of has to be some forgiveness for this type of gaming.
Overall the thing works extremely well, and I can't wait to see some hardcore games come out for it.
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Amazon Warehouse Deals just had a Kinect in damaged packaging for $89.99 and a 250GB Kinect Slim bundle for $240. Grabbed one of each.
That's cheap enough for me to try it out and if I don't like it, sell it to a crazy gotta have it Craigslister for no loss.
That's cheap enough for me to try it out and if I don't like it, sell it to a crazy gotta have it Craigslister for no loss.
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Hard to set up? Um, I un-boxed it and plugged it in. Took all of 5 minutes to get it working properly.
Huge amount of what space? The camera is not even noticeable sitting in front of the bottom of my TV. Most Tv's are black, the camera is black, no problem.
I also have not experienced much lag on any games. Sure there is a bit here and there, but there kind of has to be some forgiveness for this type of gaming.
Overall the thing works extremely well, and I can't wait to see some hardcore games come out for it.
Huge amount of what space? The camera is not even noticeable sitting in front of the bottom of my TV. Most Tv's are black, the camera is black, no problem.
I also have not experienced much lag on any games. Sure there is a bit here and there, but there kind of has to be some forgiveness for this type of gaming.
Overall the thing works extremely well, and I can't wait to see some hardcore games come out for it.
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I believe chuckd21 is right, the space issue is in regards to the floor space required when using the camera. Microsoft recommends being 6 ft. away for single player, and 8 ft. away for two players not to mention the side to side room needed to flail about.
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Well from the reviews I have read, it doesn't look like my family room will support this thing. I can get 6 feet from the TV for the single player, but 8 feet for 2 players won't work without doing some major furniture rearrangement. This sucks, I was looking forward to this thing. I will still pick my preorder up, but I will sell it during the holidays. Hopefully I will make some money off of it.
I just can't see the majority of homes being able to support this thing. People in small apartments are definitely screwed.
I just can't see the majority of homes being able to support this thing. People in small apartments are definitely screwed.
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Having played with this for a few months, I can say the only real problem I experienced was needing a little more space, but I was able to rearrange things easily to use it, and that was only when there was a second player. I didn't have any lighting issues, in fact I was impressed with how well it seemed to work in low light.
I was also impressed with how well the voice commands worked for me. I was afraid you'd need near silence to get them to work, which isn't the case. They seem to work well with regular room noise.
The only complaints I had were with menus such as in the hub and other places. I thought it took just a little too long to select things. The cursor was responsive on them but seemed a little to floaty, I'm wondering if this is part of why some people are complaining about lag. I also hope they allow games to use a different gesture to pause, since I can see that becoming a problem especially with a lefty.
I can't talk about the game I've tried, since none of them were final builds, I do have some on the way that'll hopefully be here tomorrow. Waiting on my copy of Adventures, and from Target I ordered Kinect Sports, Joyride, and Kinectimals (which is probably getting put away as a Christmas gift).
I will say this though, earlier in the summer I had no intention of buying the Kinect, since I also have the wii, but after a week of use I put in a preorder for it. It's not perfect, but I'm sure there'll be plenty of updates, especially with MS buying Canesta. It is a hell of a lot better than I was expecting.
I was also impressed with how well the voice commands worked for me. I was afraid you'd need near silence to get them to work, which isn't the case. They seem to work well with regular room noise.
The only complaints I had were with menus such as in the hub and other places. I thought it took just a little too long to select things. The cursor was responsive on them but seemed a little to floaty, I'm wondering if this is part of why some people are complaining about lag. I also hope they allow games to use a different gesture to pause, since I can see that becoming a problem especially with a lefty.
I can't talk about the game I've tried, since none of them were final builds, I do have some on the way that'll hopefully be here tomorrow. Waiting on my copy of Adventures, and from Target I ordered Kinect Sports, Joyride, and Kinectimals (which is probably getting put away as a Christmas gift).
I will say this though, earlier in the summer I had no intention of buying the Kinect, since I also have the wii, but after a week of use I put in a preorder for it. It's not perfect, but I'm sure there'll be plenty of updates, especially with MS buying Canesta. It is a hell of a lot better than I was expecting.
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I went to my Target store (2 of them) this morning and neither had Dance Central. The guy told me it had been coded in their system as "return to vendor". Did anyone get DC?
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Well from the reviews I have read, it doesn't look like my family room will support this thing. I can get 6 feet from the TV for the single player, but 8 feet for 2 players won't work without doing some major furniture rearrangement. This sucks, I was looking forward to this thing. I will still pick my preorder up, but I will sell it during the holidays. Hopefully I will make some money off of it.
I just can't see the majority of homes being able to support this thing. People in small apartments are definitely screwed.
I just can't see the majority of homes being able to support this thing. People in small apartments are definitely screwed.
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Single player I'd guess about 4-5 feet width and that's only if the game requires lateral movement, I have about 6 feet without moving anything and that's more than enough for single player. As for the dog, if it runs through that shouldn't be a problem I had kids run in front of me and it wasn't really a problem, it might screw up the shot or whatever you are currently doing but that's it, it was extremely fast to re-lock in on me. Of course there would be issues if the kid just stopped in front of me but for the most part I don't think even that would be an issue with a dog that size.
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I expressed concerns in this thread months ago about the limitations the system would have with the absence of buttons and none of the reviews of the games have done anything to allay my concerns.
Will better games come out for the Kinect? Sure. Will there be anything appealing to the hardcore gamer? Not unless it integrates the standard controller as well.
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Single player I'd guess about 4-5 feet width and that's only if the game requires lateral movement, I have about 6 feet without moving anything and that's more than enough for single player. As for the dog, if it runs through that shouldn't be a problem I had kids run in front of me and it wasn't really a problem, it might screw up the shot or whatever you are currently doing but that's it, it was extremely fast to re-lock in on me. Of course there would be issues if the kid just stopped in front of me but for the most part I don't think even that would be an issue with a dog that size.
another question, if I have a piece of furniture that may be touching "the zone", will that screw you up?
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It shouldn't I have a chair that is probably considered "in the zone" that I only, same with part of my couch and end table. The only time any of that should come into play is if you have to go behind it. Which by the looks of the current games probably won't be an issue. Also, I have a chair probably about 15 feet straight behind the TV and I have had no issues with people sitting there while games were being played.
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