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Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I don't find the versus mode fun at all. Controlling the infected is kind of clunky.

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Remembering that the LB is crouch now is really a pain. What's up with that? Was this something the Fanboys bitched about?

This is why ALL GAMES should allow the players the option to map the controls to fit they're playing style.

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I still don't get why more games don't let you change the button layout. It seems like such a simple thing.

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LB was crouch in the first as well.

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I agree that you should be able to customize your controls, but they are exactly the same as the first game, including crouch.

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I love duel wielding pistols.

That is all.

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You are right! It's the Default setting! You know what I did? I started playing L4D2 and I forgot to customize the controller to match what I use in L4D1. I picked the setting I use on L4D1 when it came out and forgot about it and the fact that one could even do it.

There are 4 Configs in both games... Default, 2, 3, and 4(where Crouch is click LS and vocal is LB), and I've always played the original on 4 and had gotten use to it.


At least I'm man enough to apologize for my misguided bitching. :lol:

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First off the "replay" value of the first game came more from playing w/ different groups than the levels themselves. If you either played it solo or w/ the same group every time I'm sure it got boring but that's why there were different difficulties. IMHO there was no reason to muck around w/ the difficulties like they did. Frankly it has taken all the fun out of the game for me. I liked the first because I could sit down for an hour or so, run through a level, kill some zombies and feel like I finished it. I was in a good group this afternoon we tried for about an hour to get past just the "gate run" in the Carnival level. After not making it on normal we dropped back to easy and still didn't make it after two tries. At that point I just dropped out so I don't know if they ever made it or not. There was good teamwork/communication within the group so I'm not buying that coop is the key. Constantly getting swarmed by common and special zombies is just annoying IMHO...


EDIT to add: Tried running w/ a group on the shopping mall level earlier today too... Almost out of the door of the safe house (2nd or 3rd act don't recall which) there was a hoard attack, 2 smokers, a boomer and a hunter. That's not "normal" IMHO.

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I only JUST started playing, but i'm embarrassed to say I have to play on easy. I tried normal my first game and we got our asses handed to us. On easy we made it to the end of the swamp level, but only one guy made it to the boat. Hell, I didn't even realize the boat was there and that it was time to get out of dodge. Game is still fun as shit, though.

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Finally got the Gnome achievement. One small tip I have for it, on the 4th chapter... When you get to the area where the arena is visible but you have to cut to the left through the barns, over some roofs, and back around on the other side of the fence to get to the final run to the safe room... before you do all that, you can throw the gnome over the fence in front of the doors to the arena (right before the safe room). Then you can navigate a big section of that map and can freely fight for awhile, and then just pick up the gnome again at the end of the chapter right before getting to the safe room.

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I still haven't made it out of the mall in Single Player. This game is kickin' Mah Ass!

One of the things I loved about L4D1 was how good the AI team performed. Apparently they dumbed down this version's AI. There were times when I moved ahead and the AI would still be standing and waiting. I'd have to go back to get them to follow. Then there were other times when I tried to give one a Med Pac or Pills and they would just hand it back even though I didn't need them.

Anyway, it's still a very fun game and new settings, weapons, and crazy ass mini missions like the Coke Six Pack are a cool addition to the series.

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There's nothing wrong about confessing using "Easy" with this version....I'm playing it and based on several reads from other forums others have had to follow suit. So-called "Normal' is like hard in the first version. We tried "Normal' the first night and at the end the word "fun" didn't exactlly come to mind.

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:lol:

Yeah I figured you were using another config.

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:lol: Yeah Silly Me.

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Scavenge mode seems to be the new Versus. You're limited to a smaller area, and its actually a lot more fun. Those huge maps are just too grueling.

Abd yes, I've started playing on Easy as well. :( Best strategy I've found is to use a melee weapon and slash your way through. With one of the auto rifles for long distance sniping.

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Yeah, I also had to step down to Easy to finally finish the 1st Scenario and even then one still died. There was one part in the Mall on Easy where 2 Hunters were in a room. I could be wrong but other than the Survival DLC, I don't think I've ever seen that happen on Easy or Normal in the L4D1.

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It didn't. You would usually get one of each of the specials at a time, usually not at the same time as the hoard attacks... usually IIRC. Now it seems you get 3-4 random specials (even duplicates) almost at the same time as the hoard attacks (which are much more constant than in the first one too). One other thing though, IMHO the tanks seem a little easier to kill... not sure that is much consolation w/ everything else going on but it just seems that way to me.

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Yeah that's what I thought. I also agree that the Tank seems a bit easier to kill. It also seems smaller.

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After being away from the game all weekend I was able to get through the remaining two scenarios tonight. Awesome stuff all around. Looking forward to trying out some VS....but I think it's gonna be a bitch when playing as the survivors.

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Picked up the game yesterday, but I wasn't able to play for that long. My mic was cutting out and the lag was unbearable.

Which server setting do you guys use? Local?

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Lag over the weekend was horrendous as compared to earlier in the week.

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Yea the lag can be a pain at time but nothing like it was the first couple of nights. Got thru all the levels and must say it's fun and the levels are a blast. The downpour and swap are just cool. The melee weapons are the hit of the game. Honestly think they are somewhat better than guns in many situations.

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What is the better server option in this game now though? I noticed 2. Local and official I think?

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I think the Local Server is the better option right now (especially if you're the host ;)). My friend hosted some games last night and the three of us had great connections (live in the same city), everyone else had a slightly worse connection, but it must have been fine since no one left.

The dedicated servers I've been on, almost all of them, seem to have horrendous lag that makes the game pretty much unplayable. Hopefully they get that fixed soon.

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On now...cough cough

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As well as Target. (Along with some others.)

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Between the lag and the frustrating difficulty level (even on "Normal"), this may be my biggest gaming disappointment of the year. The first game was nearly perfect, so it's sad to see them go backwards with the sequel.

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I've only had a few nights of co-op thus far, but I've had absolutely no lag issues. I'm seeing it all over the place though. Hope they get on that shit ASAP. (Although they really should've already at this point I'd think.) :(

The difficulty thing I don't really see as a step back though. Can't you just play on Easy? Easy can still be tough in some areas, but I haven't found it to be absolutely impossible.

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"Normal" should be a difficulty level for somewhat skilled gamers who want a light challenge. If you want a real challenge, that's what Hard and Expert are for. They even added the "Realism" toggle, so why make "Normal" frustrating for many people who were perfectly happy with the Normal difficulty level in the first game?

I feel like I shouldn't need to switch to Easy to have a good time with the game, but unless they patch the difficulty and the AI Director's douchebaggardly tendencies, that may be my only option for wringing entertainment out of this game.

Check out the most recent Joystiq podcast for some good discussion about L4D2 and how Valve tried to fix something that wasn't broken in the first place.

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The developer commentary for this is very interesting. They made a lot of changes to counter common strategies in the first game.

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Still not getting the difficulty complaints. I don't think Normal is that bad (Advanced is another story). I don't know how much you guys have played, but I still think map familiarity is a big part of it. I remember Dead Air and Death Toll being similarly challenging. There are some parts that could be balanced a little better, like the constant hordes during the soda bottle part of Parish (I think?). But as I play the maps more and more, they get easier and easier. Swamp Fever and Hard Rain in particular.

I mostly play versus though. I realize the campaigns are a bit more challenging for survivors - and I can see how you'd be totally fucked if you were just playing with AI, but who does that?

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All pefectly valid points. Honestly I'm chalking up a lot of the stuff for me as just not being use to the environments and new specials. There definitely is an increase in difficulty overall, but for me there are other factors as well. Change of weapons, less linear paths, tougher/more specials, etc. I'm curious to see once I get more play in if it becomes less difficult.

I'll have to check out the Joystiq podcast talk. Don't usually listen, so thanks for the heads up!

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With the lag problems, playing on my own is becoming a more attractive option. I'd much rather play with friends, but between the lag and the frustrating experience, I'm not finding a lot of motivation to continue playing and get familiar with the maps. With so many great games out right now, this one just isn't calling out to me. :(

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Took a listen to the Joystiq segment. I definitely didn't have the same "impossible" reaction that they did. We died at a few points and eventually moved it down to Easy, but I didn't ever really get to their point of frustration at all. I can understand the argument of the change to the difficulty scaling, and especially loved the Guitar Hero analogy, but moving down to Easy didn't take my fun away.

It has inspired me though. I really want to give a runthrough on the the game staying on Normal and seeing how it goes now that I've had more time with some of the levels. Maybe I'll change my POV completely. ;)

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I've only made it through the 1st map but I have to say that I LOVE that they force you to do something instead of just waiting and shooting it out until help arrives.


Yeah but switching to Easy is an "Ego Buster". :lol: I felt ashamed when I did it; but like you, I'm also inspired to finish on Normal.

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The lag is out of control. We did a local server last night that was working for us, but it really seems to be hit or miss. They should have fixed this by now. It's not even tolerable-slight-delay lag, it's holy-shit-I-shot-this-gun-8-seconds ago-why-hasn't-it-fired lag.

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Not when you have no skill and fully recognize it like I do. :lol: I play most games on puss level. I'm there for the experience. I've got enough stuff in real life that can piss me off, I don't need a game to throw it's .02 in. ;)

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:lol: