fumanstan

I don't know about pennies. There was still the inclusion of the PS2 GPU in the old 80 GB version and I'm sure having to produce different system boards to include it, as well the cost to make the chip itself, costs a decent amount more then producing one platform.

I'd like to see the PS3 be able to emulate PS2 games entirely in software though. If the XBox 360 can do so with XBox games, I imagine someone could write something for the PS3.

That said, I don't have a PS3 because my roomate does, but with being able to play FF13 on my 360 and the lack of backwards compatibility, I'm starting to think I would just buy a standalone Blu-ray player at the end of the year rather then a PS3.

PopcornTreeCt

What are the trophies? I saw it updated on my console but have no idea what it is and doesn't seem to say what it is anywhere.

musick

they are what achievements are to the 360
I think Super Stardust HD is the only game right now with any real trophy support

http://www.ps3trophies.org/index.php

ultimaton

I'm in the exact same boat. I dusted off the PS2 the other day to mess around with MGS3 and was really wishing I had taken the time to track down an 80 instead of impulse buying the 40. >sigh< Whatever, was wrong about rumble, and they're wrong about this, so nothing new in the Sony camp I guess.

PopcornTreeCt

Ah, thanks.

Decker

I asked this on the last page and was ignored
Does the MGS4 model have the exact same BC as the old Motorstorm 80 GB unit?

(just curious; I picked up the 60 GB and sold my PS2 at Game Crazy so I'm good)

slop101

I'm not sure, but I would assume so.

sracer

I know that most people focus on the BC capabilities of the 80GB model, but for me the 4 USB ports (vs. the 2 on the 40GB) and the built-in memory card slots (none on the 40GB) were more important factors for me.

Michael Corvin

Really? I've had the system almost a year and haven't used the USB ports or the memory card slots at all.

Decker

Then you don't have the camera, Singstar, Rock Band or any PS2 peripherals. Actually I need an adaptor so that I can plug in my Tekken 4 Hori fighting stick. It's pretty sweet.

I wish the slots were in the back so you coild actually plug stuff like the camera in without it being unsightly. As far as a lack of memory card slots or only having 2 USB ports, a simple $10 USB hub can eliminate either "problem".

Michael Corvin

Ahh... peripherals escaped me when I posted. And no I don't have any. I did however order a cool looking PS3 Bluetooth -> IR USB adapter yesterday. Kinda pricey but thought I'd give it a shot.

Save Ferris

So the trophies are what the Entitlements were going to be at launch? What ever happened to that plan? Will they incorporate Entitlement points AND trhophies?

Also: since the new MGS PS3 is kind of an upgrade from the Spiderman 3 version (black with the Spiderman font in the ps3 logo, originally bundled with Spiderman 3) does the playstation logo look different? Does it still say playstation across the side?

1998Nole

I actually returned my MGS Bundle last night. I wish I kept 40 I orginally got, but looking for the better deal I tracked down an MGS bundle and exchanged the 40 for it. However, after using for awhile I was not happy with how loud it was (roughly as loud as my 360). Before returning it I did bunch of research and found the 40's had the 65mm chip vs the 90 in the 80 model enabling it to run cooler and use less energy. I bought my PS3 for watching BD movies and I would have to crank up the volume pretty loud so I would not hear my PS3. The only thing now is I have to wait until around September for the new model to hit the stores, my Wal-Mart said they have no more 40 and are not expecting any PS3 shipments in the near future and the 40 is only available on thier site as a bundle.

I originally got the PS3 during the giftcard deal so I will actually wait until there is a comparable deal before I buy another, even though I loved the picture quality of the BD movies.

slop101

I mentioned this earlier, but there has to be something wrong with your PS3, since my 80-gig is literally whisper-quiet, and it certainly is far, far quieter than my 360. That is, unless the fan in my PS3 is busted, which is unlikely since I can hear it when I put my ear up to it - but that's the only way I can hear it.

fujishig

I also thought I heard that the Darkness had some kind of Entitlements in the game that would be unlocked when it finally got rolled out to the system... or was that just a rumor?

1998Nole

Consider youself lucky. I know I was being picky but since this was movies first I wanted a quieter one so that is the main reason I returned it. If it was for games like my 360 I probably would have kept it. Hopefully I will have another PS3 by the holidays.

kms_md

i am inclined to agree with slop101 on this issue. my 80GB is quite quiet. i don't know that i have ever heard fan noise coming from it during operation. good lord, my xbox 360 sounds like a small jet taking off when it is running.

GreenMonkey

Agreed.

The only thing I've used the USB ports for was a one-time copy of save data from my PS2 memory cards...and for a PS2->USB adapter. A USB hub/memory card reading device would work just fine if you needed them.

With the continuing success of the PS2 I still don't really understand why they would pull BC. It seems like it would be important to keep it to get some of those PS2 users to upgrade in another couple of years.

darkside

Between Rock Band, Sing Star, Buzz! and moving PS2 saves I use them a lot. Haven't needed all 4 at once, but don't mind them being there. I use the memory card readers all the time as I find it much easier to watch videos that way. Streaming works, but is not as fast over Wi-fi and can be laggy.

The thing I use all the time is PS2 games. Really happy I bought the 60GB instead of waiting. Considering the library of PS2 games it is sad Sony is dropping backwards compatibility.

kakihara1

My guess is the reason they're removing BC is because they figure there is no way they're going to be able to use software emulation for the cell processor on the PS4. They're just trying to get you used to the idea of not having BC so they can make the next one cheaper to manufacture without the PS3 hardware included.

fumanstan

From what I remember, Entitlements was just the rumored name for the same thing. I'm pretty sure it's what the trophies are today.

I don't see why the logo would be different.

Drexl

They probably changed the name so people wouldn't feel, well, entitled to them.

hail2dking

I have an 80GB myself and it is much quieter then the 360. In fact, the only time it ever got loud was when it was inadvertently turned on with the remote and it was enclosed in the entertainment center (I always leave the glass door open when using the PS3 or 360). Not sure how long it was on, but it was hot as hell and LOUD.

Of course, my 360 is a RROD replacement and it is quite a bit louder than my original.

Decker

Well, games like Uncharted and Burnout Paradise have "Medals" that are "unlocked" during gameplay. They're closer to Achievements than these Trophies which seem to be tiered and weighted differently. I don't know, it gets confusing. I suppose the Trophies get displayed within Home and the medals don't. I don't think there's any other way to continually show off your gamerscore whore-ness like there is on Live, but maybe I'm wrong about that.

darkside

I think it has been confirmed that the awards in Burnout and Uncharted will be converted to trophies soon. For Burnout I am not sure how the 60 will be broken out among bronze, silver and Gold. I haven't figured out the whole trophy thing yet with only Super Stardust to go by. I only managed 6 trophies in Stardust before giving up so I doubt I ever have much gamer score to brag about.