Mass Effect
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She has two Myspace pages and one of them is now private - I wonder if it was spammed as well. I just checked amazon - looks like they are cracking down and deleting many of the reviews...
I don't like her face.
I don't like her face.
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She just recanted:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/26/ar...in&oref=slogin
The Internet hath no fury like a gamer scorned.
That’s the lesson Fox News and a self-help author learned this week after a program on that channel featured a discussion of the sexual content of the hit video game Mass Effect.
Bound by global message boards, blogs, chat rooms and of course the games themselves, gamers are perhaps the single most intense subculture on the Internet — fiercely protective of their pastime and at ease with the byways of cyberspace.
So the game world has been ablaze with indignation since the Fox News program “The Live Desk With Martha MacCallum” said on Monday that Mass Effect, one of the most critically praised games of 2007, contains frontal nudity and explicit depictions of sexual activity. The assertions of virtual lasciviousness first appeared earlier this month among conservative bloggers incensed by brief YouTube clips excerpted from the 30- to 40-hour game.
Mass Effect, a science fiction game, includes a complicated romantic subplot that is no more risqué in its plot or graphic in its depiction than evening network television.
To exact their revenge, gamers have turned their vitriol on Cooper Lawrence, an author who appeared to mischaracterize the game when she said: “Here’s how they’re seeing women: They’re seeing them as these objects of desire, as these, you know, hot bodies. They don’t show women as being valued for anything other than their sexuality. And it’s a man in this game deciding how many women he wants to be with.”
In fact Mass Effect allows users to play as either a man or a woman, and the few suggestions of intimate contact occur in the context of a detailed interpersonal story line. Asked on the air by Geoff Keighley of Spike TV whether she had ever played the game, Ms. Lawrence laughed and said, “No.”
Irate gamers have flooded the page on Amazon.com selling Ms. Lawrence’s most recent book, “The Cult of Perfection: Making Peace With Your Inner Overachiever,” sending its user-generated rating into oblivion.
By Friday afternoon 412 of the book’s 472 user reviews were the lowest possible rating, one star. Another 48 ratings were for two stars. Only 12 of the ratings were for three stars or higher. In addition, 929 Amazon users had tagged the book with the keyword “ignorant.” Tied for second place with 744 tags were “garbage” and “hypocrisy,” while “hack” and “hypocrite” tied for fourth place with 710 votes. Gamers have also attacked the book on the Barnes & Noble Web site.
Many of the reviewers admit that they have not read Ms. Lawrence’s book.
As one Amazon user put it: “I know all about this book but have never fully read it. Why? Due to the overwhelming backlash, I have no choice but to agree with the 1 star ratings. The rumors are rampant that this book was poorly written and poorly researched. So without verifying the contents myself — I give it a 1 star. Good thing video games aren’t judged in this manner — whew!!!”
On Friday “The Cult of Perfection” was ranked the 346,106th best-selling book on Amazon. Mass Effect, by contrast, has been a hit, selling more than 1.6 million copies since November. An Amazon spokeswoman said the site would soon begin to remove reviews written by users who had clearly not read the book.
In an interview on Friday, Ms. Lawrence said that since the controversy over her remarks erupted she had watched someone play the game for about two and a half hours. “I recognize that I misspoke,” she said. “I really regret saying that, and now that I’ve seen the game and seen the sex scenes it’s kind of a joke.
“Before the show I had asked somebody about what they had heard, and they had said it’s like pornography,” she added. “But it’s not like pornography. I’ve seen episodes of ‘Lost’ that are more sexually explicit.”
Electronic Arts, the giant publisher that owns Mass Effect, has asked Fox News for a correction. A Fox News spokesman would say only that Electronic Arts had been offered a chance to appear on the channel. An Electronic Arts spokesman said the company had not yet decided whether to accept the offer.
By telephone from Edmonton, Alberta, Ray Muzyka, the medical doctor who is chief executive of BioWare, the Electronic Arts studio that made Mass Effect, said: “We’re hurt. We believe in video games as an art form, and on behalf of the 120 people who poured their blood and tears into this game over three years, we’re just really hurt that someone would misrepresent the game without even playing it. All we can hope for is that people who actually play our games will see the truth.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/26/ar...in&oref=slogin
The Internet hath no fury like a gamer scorned.
That’s the lesson Fox News and a self-help author learned this week after a program on that channel featured a discussion of the sexual content of the hit video game Mass Effect.
Bound by global message boards, blogs, chat rooms and of course the games themselves, gamers are perhaps the single most intense subculture on the Internet — fiercely protective of their pastime and at ease with the byways of cyberspace.
So the game world has been ablaze with indignation since the Fox News program “The Live Desk With Martha MacCallum” said on Monday that Mass Effect, one of the most critically praised games of 2007, contains frontal nudity and explicit depictions of sexual activity. The assertions of virtual lasciviousness first appeared earlier this month among conservative bloggers incensed by brief YouTube clips excerpted from the 30- to 40-hour game.
Mass Effect, a science fiction game, includes a complicated romantic subplot that is no more risqué in its plot or graphic in its depiction than evening network television.
To exact their revenge, gamers have turned their vitriol on Cooper Lawrence, an author who appeared to mischaracterize the game when she said: “Here’s how they’re seeing women: They’re seeing them as these objects of desire, as these, you know, hot bodies. They don’t show women as being valued for anything other than their sexuality. And it’s a man in this game deciding how many women he wants to be with.”
In fact Mass Effect allows users to play as either a man or a woman, and the few suggestions of intimate contact occur in the context of a detailed interpersonal story line. Asked on the air by Geoff Keighley of Spike TV whether she had ever played the game, Ms. Lawrence laughed and said, “No.”
Irate gamers have flooded the page on Amazon.com selling Ms. Lawrence’s most recent book, “The Cult of Perfection: Making Peace With Your Inner Overachiever,” sending its user-generated rating into oblivion.
By Friday afternoon 412 of the book’s 472 user reviews were the lowest possible rating, one star. Another 48 ratings were for two stars. Only 12 of the ratings were for three stars or higher. In addition, 929 Amazon users had tagged the book with the keyword “ignorant.” Tied for second place with 744 tags were “garbage” and “hypocrisy,” while “hack” and “hypocrite” tied for fourth place with 710 votes. Gamers have also attacked the book on the Barnes & Noble Web site.
Many of the reviewers admit that they have not read Ms. Lawrence’s book.
As one Amazon user put it: “I know all about this book but have never fully read it. Why? Due to the overwhelming backlash, I have no choice but to agree with the 1 star ratings. The rumors are rampant that this book was poorly written and poorly researched. So without verifying the contents myself — I give it a 1 star. Good thing video games aren’t judged in this manner — whew!!!”
On Friday “The Cult of Perfection” was ranked the 346,106th best-selling book on Amazon. Mass Effect, by contrast, has been a hit, selling more than 1.6 million copies since November. An Amazon spokeswoman said the site would soon begin to remove reviews written by users who had clearly not read the book.
In an interview on Friday, Ms. Lawrence said that since the controversy over her remarks erupted she had watched someone play the game for about two and a half hours. “I recognize that I misspoke,” she said. “I really regret saying that, and now that I’ve seen the game and seen the sex scenes it’s kind of a joke.
“Before the show I had asked somebody about what they had heard, and they had said it’s like pornography,” she added. “But it’s not like pornography. I’ve seen episodes of ‘Lost’ that are more sexually explicit.”
Electronic Arts, the giant publisher that owns Mass Effect, has asked Fox News for a correction. A Fox News spokesman would say only that Electronic Arts had been offered a chance to appear on the channel. An Electronic Arts spokesman said the company had not yet decided whether to accept the offer.
By telephone from Edmonton, Alberta, Ray Muzyka, the medical doctor who is chief executive of BioWare, the Electronic Arts studio that made Mass Effect, said: “We’re hurt. We believe in video games as an art form, and on behalf of the 120 people who poured their blood and tears into this game over three years, we’re just really hurt that someone would misrepresent the game without even playing it. All we can hope for is that people who actually play our games will see the truth.”
#354
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Good. This will teach her stupid ass to speak about something she does not know, and will also teach her not to try and get publicity for her book in this manner.
#356
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That's it? Three sentences in the NY Times? Thanks for the apology but I still want her to go on the air with the people that she spoke with on the show and recant those remarks. We all know a majority of Fox 'News' watchers don't read.
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Adam Sessler did a segment on this whole Fox News/Cooper Lawrence controversy.
http://www.g4tv.com/xplay/features/1...ss_Effect.html
http://www.g4tv.com/xplay/features/1...ss_Effect.html
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It's true it might be too little too late, but at least a reporter from a major media outlet "gets it." The article was written in such a way that I believe he's a gamer himself.
And yeah, I love the Sess. He and Geoff Keighly both are great ambassadors for our hobby, in my opinion.
And yeah, I love the Sess. He and Geoff Keighly both are great ambassadors for our hobby, in my opinion.
#359
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Originally Posted by CKMorpheus
Adam Sessler did a segment on this whole Fox News/Cooper Lawrence controversy.
http://www.g4tv.com/xplay/features/1...ss_Effect.html
http://www.g4tv.com/xplay/features/1...ss_Effect.html
#360
Originally Posted by lordwow
Ugh, beat the game, played with Ashley the whole time, no Ally achievement. Lame.
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Originally Posted by CKMorpheus
Adam Sessler did a segment on this whole Fox News/Cooper Lawrence controversy.
http://www.g4tv.com/xplay/features/1...ss_Effect.html
http://www.g4tv.com/xplay/features/1...ss_Effect.html
#362
If only Fox would have done a report about how much the game sucked. Then I wouldn't have wasted a gamefly rental on it.
What's fun about beating one level and then having to run around a space station for 10 hours before getting to do any other shooting???
Maybe I'm missing something.
What's fun about beating one level and then having to run around a space station for 10 hours before getting to do any other shooting???
Maybe I'm missing something.
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Originally Posted by dan30oly
If only Fox would have done a report about how much the game sucked. Then I wouldn't have wasted a gamefly rental on it.
What's fun about beating one level and then having to run around a space station for 10 hours before getting to do any other shooting???
Maybe I'm missing something.
What's fun about beating one level and then having to run around a space station for 10 hours before getting to do any other shooting???
Maybe I'm missing something.
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Originally Posted by dan30oly
If only Fox would have done a report about how much the game sucked. Then I wouldn't have wasted a gamefly rental on it.
What's fun about beating one level and then having to run around a space station for 10 hours before getting to do any other shooting???
Maybe I'm missing something.
What's fun about beating one level and then having to run around a space station for 10 hours before getting to do any other shooting???
Maybe I'm missing something.
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Originally Posted by dan30oly
If only Fox would have done a report about how much the game sucked. Then I wouldn't have wasted a gamefly rental on it.
What's fun about beating one level and then having to run around a space station for 10 hours before getting to do any other shooting???
Maybe I'm missing something.
What's fun about beating one level and then having to run around a space station for 10 hours before getting to do any other shooting???
Maybe I'm missing something.
Last edited by Chris_D; 01-27-08 at 10:10 PM.
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Theres lots of good places to look before investing a dime in rentals or purchases. I like this site for reviews but you can also check www.gamerankings.com for detailed info about games you're considering. Did you play/like Knights of the Old Republic? Mass Effect was made by the same crew and has a lot in common with it.
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Originally Posted by dan30oly
Anyone else want to beat me up for not realizing it was an rpg?
Keep piling it on...
Keep piling it on...
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Originally Posted by Save Ferris
Did you play/like Knights of the Old Republic? Mass Effect was made by the same crew and has a lot in common with it.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Except the excellent story, tight gameplay, varied environments, weapons system, and just about everything else that made Knights of the Old Republic one of the best games of last gen.

Mass Effect has better music!
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Except the excellent story, tight gameplay, varied environments, weapons system, and just about everything else that made Knights of the Old Republic one of the best games of last gen.
Both games had the ridiculous tunnel syndrome, where your on this beautiful expansive alien planet with vistas as far as the eye can see, and yet your essentially following a tight corridor. ME did have more performance issues, and retarded pointless side quests. I agree about KOTOR having a better weapon system.
Frankly, Baldurs Gate 2 is still better game than either KOTOR or ME.
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I never tried Baldur's Gate, but for me, the battle system in KOTOR was far more precise and elegant than ME. In ME, once I equipped the shotgun with the right upgrades, I could kill any minor enemy in one to two shots, and any larger enemy in five to six. The fact that you could not switch between characters was a huge, huge drag. To me, that was half the fun of KOTOR. I never felt a connection to any of the ME characters. They were all so faceless.
The story was so bland. Saren was a pathetic heavy, and the ultimate villain was (by its very nature) completely lacking in personality. The final battles were easy as hell. The environments in KOTOR were definitely more varied, even if the corridor aspect holds true. And they only looked better in ME when you stood still for a few minutes to allow all the textures to pop in. On a technical level the game is a complete mess. And the side quests in KOTOR were often more compelling than the main storyline. The side quests in ME were all "Land on this planet in a car and shoot stuff."
I just cannot see why this game is getting the praise it has received. It's a step down from KOTOR in every conceivable way, and isn't anywhere as good as any games coming out around the same time, including COD4, Rock Band, Mario Galaxy, etc.
The story was so bland. Saren was a pathetic heavy, and the ultimate villain was (by its very nature) completely lacking in personality. The final battles were easy as hell. The environments in KOTOR were definitely more varied, even if the corridor aspect holds true. And they only looked better in ME when you stood still for a few minutes to allow all the textures to pop in. On a technical level the game is a complete mess. And the side quests in KOTOR were often more compelling than the main storyline. The side quests in ME were all "Land on this planet in a car and shoot stuff."
I just cannot see why this game is getting the praise it has received. It's a step down from KOTOR in every conceivable way, and isn't anywhere as good as any games coming out around the same time, including COD4, Rock Band, Mario Galaxy, etc.




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