I'd agree with Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros. I'm tentative on labeling Metroid AAA as I thought Metroid Prime 2 was B-/C+ game. But just not having a lame dark world should help this one immensely. Resident Evil: UC looks pretty lame to me as I don't have much interest in Wiimote "lightgun" games.

Guitar Hero 3 is definitely AAA, but as I said I'll pick that up for the PS2 where I already have 2 controllers. Or if I got rid of it I'd wait and pick up the 360 version since 720p output will produce less lag on my HDTV than 480p (the adjustment never seems to work quite right--ended up leaving the PS2 on the old SD TV just for GH).

Agree Nights and No More Heroes can go either way. I don't have a lot of hope for Nights though given that I've not really liked any thing Sega has done since the Dreamcast.

I've never liked any of the Mario sports games, Sports sims again will all be waited on for the 360 as these need high def graphics IMO.

I have the PS2 and the Wii as well (still have my GC, but it will hit eBay soon) and I am perfectly happy with my situation. Granted, I still have games to play that all of you have already finished... but part of that is because I didn't get the Wii at launch. I couldn't even justify the low price-tag on the Wii because I only wanted 1 game at launch - Zelda - and I could have gotten that on the Cube (glad I waited though). As I am a pretty casual gamer and can only fit an hour or less in a day, the Wii is perfect for me. And when there are no games out that I want to play... then I'll move on to other things until such a game is released.

How can you give a game like metroid sub AAA, but give a game like guitar hero which is identical to its predecessor, besides the setlist AAA?

Yeah, seriously. Out of those, I only see Metroid and Mario as the possible good ones.
- Super Smash - I always saw this as a shallow fighting game that I never enjoyed - doesn't help that I have no one to play with.
- GH3 - I was never a big fan of GH, mostly because I actually play guitar, and can play most of the songs for real, and would rather do that, than "play" them in the game. That, and the series is already getting stale.
- Mario Soccer - not a fan of sports games, especially these kiddiefied ones.
- RE:UC - unless it's an improvement on RE4, I doubt this'll be a AAA title.

Seems like a legit complaint to me. When people have Wii's collecting dust and announcements of even more games coming out that are composed of mini-games, it's hard not to be a little frustrated. Especially when some people are "over" the whole mini-game thing and looking for something a little more deep.

Yeah, there's some big games coming out but it certainly looks like game companies are going to milk it as a mini-game/party-game system for awhile longer.

Innovation isn't everything. MP2 innovated with the darkworld, running from light to light, 2x the back tracking etc. and ruined the game for me.

If Metroid Prime 3 is more like MP1 then it will be a surefire AAA game for me.

Also, the wretched DS game (C-/D+ in my book) also left a bad taste in my mouth for the series which used to be my favorite.

that's the main reason I can't stand the GH series any longer. Seems like I could be putting that time to better use, i.e. actually practicing

And it won't be as its basically a light gun game.

It's pretty apparent that it's a question of perspective


for the seasoned veteran, obviously there are quite a few titles that wouldn't interest you, but that's not exactly new either. Think about the number of titles that used to be released per month for the PS2 that were either sequels, spin offs, or just plain, crap games that really interested no one.

As it stands now, there really isn't anyone pushing the envelope on what the system can do, and really, you'd be waiting for first party titles for that.

Well no shit sherlock.

We're all expressing our perspectives on the Wii's announced 2007 game list.

I think anybody expecting dozens of "AAA" games (whatever that means, I'm guessing whatever games EGM fellate) so early in the system's life has absolutely ridiculous expectations, ESPECIALLY for a system that's doing things so differently. I knew the perils of early adoption when I handed over my $250, but I've also not been disappointed in any way other than not getting the two games I really wanted at launch. I don't expect THE BEST GAME EVER to be released every month either and never bought into any internet hype other than my own personal internet in the new controller and having something all of my non-gamer friends could really enjoy.. so maybe I just can't relate to the whining at its primal base.

I just can't fathom the idea that you didn't see this coming, as if there would be a plethora of games, first wave, that would immediately excite you

That's not what concerns me. What concerns *me* is the apparent shift to a mini-game platform.

This might be your problem. If you think Mario Strikers is "kiddiefied," you've probably bought the wrong system.

this "shift", as you would call it, is merely a ploy for them to cash in, given the small amount of work, and the high profit return

developers are doing everything they can to get titles out ASAP. considering the wide range of audience, apparently its more lucrative for them to do it in this fashion as of now

Again with your "mainstream" bashing. *sigh* We're not sheep that follow EGM.

AAA games means games I personally think are great. That I personally am excited as hell about and anticipate giving a 9.0 or better too when I play them. That's a AAA game.

That is true. I just expected Metroid Prime at launch and Mario Galaxy in spring when I put down my preorder money. If I knew those weren't coming until late 2007, I would have waited until this fall to get one. I also didn't expect VC games to be so expensive either.

But you are right that most of it just normal early console life. Like I said, I've finally learned my lesson and will never again buy ANY console at launch. It's just stupid as you just pay a premium for a machine that will have one good launch game and then gather dust for most of the first year.

I'm actually a big fan of the Mario sports series

I absolutely loved Mario All-Star Baseball, and tend to think it's the best

then again, I hadn't had the chance to try mario strikers before, so I am excited about it for the Wii, especially since it's the first online title for the system (in the UK)

Not at all. I think the Mario sports games are too kiddy and arcadey as well. I'd rather play Fifa or Winning Eleven than strikers.

But I love "kiddy" platformers, RPGs etc. I just don't like that design for my sports games.

Well, everyone should be aware that's rare nowadays for any projected date months in advance will remain constant when the game is actually released.

It's seems that most peoples' issues with the Wii aren't really Wii specific, but new-console specific

I know that's why it's occurring. That doesn't mean that it's not a concerning trend for those of us that hate minigame collections.

I'd rather see development teams spending their efforts on some unique, full fledged games for the Wii.

Hopefully 2008 will see a shift to more full fledged games, and less minigames/tech demos....again just like we saw with the DS.

Game drought, yes. Minigame's everywhere...that's more specific to the Wii (and the DS before it) as they don't seem to happen with new consoles with standard controllers.

Right, with "them" meaning Nintendo. The same Nintendo I mentioned earlier as never failing me. I see that "shifting".

"Developers" meaning 3rd-Party, I assume. There hasn't been a strong 3rd-Party presence on a Nintendo home system in many-a year. There still isn't. Maybe it's coming, but the games I see don't appeal to me. I don't like rhythm games (GH, DDR, even EBA on the DS). I don't like GTA-style games. I don't care much for FPS or RTS.

I like RPG, adventure, etc. The Wii has the potential to revolutionize how I interact with console games in these genres. I'm just not seeing that come to fruition yet or hinted at much.

To be fair, we're getting into the 3rd wave of games (launch, spring/summer, now the new list is fall/winter).

I was expecting a bit more for the 2007 holiday season than what's listed thus far. But maybe that will expand at E3.

Maybe that's part of my problem. I should be coming off the E3 high still right now

I think people are just spoiled from the last three or four years where we've had three system's worth of varied and awesome material and plenty of it at dirt-cheap prices. Again, it's just ridiculous expectations.. the first year of the PS2, GameCube and Xbox were probably the same. Hell, we're what, seven or eight generations in to console gaming? Anybody not familiar with the first year at this point can only blame themselves if they're not getting fifth year titles and prices six months into a console's life.