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Old 01-28-07, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
And I wouldn't even know either how to add more RAM or replace the video card.
Both are very easy to do, and your manual and/or the instructions that come with the RAM and VC would be enough to get it done.

RAM is as simple as snapping it in, and Video Card is pretty much just as easy though their may be a driver to install and/or firmware updates.
Old 01-28-07, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
If all you play are FPS and RTS, sure. For everything else, it sucks.
You forgot RPGs, MMOs/anything online, adventure, TBS, action, and simulation.


Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
And even then, while the mouse is indeed great for FPS, being forced to use the keyboard as well kills any of its advantage. Maybe if they came up with a joystick to use with your left hand while you aimed with the mouse on the other...
Maybe if console FPS didn't have built in auto-aim to adjust for the fact that gamepads blow for control, you'd feel different. Just sounds to me like you've not gamed much on a kb/mouse. Some of the biggest console fanbois I know even admitted to me it's a better control system after a few days of us playing Halo vs. each other on the PC....course they had to get over the shock of actually aiming for themselves...but they eventually got the hang of it.
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
If all you play are FPS and RTS, sure. For everything else, it sucks. And even then, while the mouse is indeed great for FPS, being forced to use the keyboard as well kills any of its advantage. Maybe if they came up with a joystick to use with your left hand while you aimed with the mouse on the other...



I play all my FPS games with a joystick for my right hand to move/shoot and a trackball for my left hand to aim.
Old 01-28-07, 02:29 PM
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I wonder how much money is there in the middle-ground between the PopCap/Sims crowd and the upgrade-the-rig-every-year set?
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Yes, sadly, PC games are dead:

WORLD OF WARCRAFT:® THE BURNING CRUSADE™
SHATTERS DAY-1 SALES RECORD


IRVINE, Calif. - January 23, 2007 - Blizzard Entertainment® today announced that World of Warcraft®: The Burning Crusade™ has broken the day-one sales record to become the fastest-selling PC game ever in North America and Europe, with a worldwide total of nearly 2.4 million copies sold in the first 24 hours of availability. The Burning Crusade, the first expansion set for World of Warcraft, was simultaneously released in North America, Europe, Singapore, Thailand, and Malaysia on January 16, and on January 17 in Australia and New Zealand.

Blizzard had supplied more than 4 million game boxes to retailers worldwide, and more than 5,000 stores throughout the world had their doors open at midnight to welcome thousands of expectant players.

Day-one sales totals on both continents were similar, with an estimated total of nearly 1.2 million copies sold on the first day in North America and an estimated total of more than 1.1 million copies sold in Europe within the first 24 hours of launch.* By the end of the first day of availability on both continents, a total of more than 1.7 million players had already logged in and upgraded World of Warcraft to play The Burning Crusade.

"The Burning Crusade has already exceeded even our most ambitious expectations," said Mike Morhaime, president and cofounder of Blizzard Entertainment. "We're pleased that so many players are eager to see all of the new content that the expansion has to offer, and we look forward to seeing everyone online as additional players continue to upgrade in the days ahead."

Retailers are continuing to report sustained demand, so if players have not yet purchased their copy of The Burning Crusade, they are advised to call ahead to make sure their store has copies on hand. Additional shipments of the expansion have been routed to retailers to help maintain stock levels.

"The immediate popularity of The Burning Crusade once again shows that Blizzard consistently delivers what gamers want," said Robert McKenzie, senior vice president of merchandising at GameStop Corp. "In addition to setting a new day-one PC-game sales record at our GameStop and EB Games stores, the expansion garnered more online pre-orders than any other PC game in our company’s history."

Prior to the launch of The Burning Crusade, World of Warcraft was played by more than 8 million players around the world -- with more than 2 million on North American realms and more than 1.5 million on European realms -- making it the most successful subscription-based massively multiplayer online role-playing game in PC-gaming history.

For more information on World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade, please visit the official website for the expansion at www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade.
http://www.blizzard.com/press/070123.shtml
Old 01-28-07, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
I've finished Halo, Max Payne, Medal of Honor, Duke Nukem 3D, the original Doom... on the PC throughout the years. I definitely do not like using the keyboard for gaming and never will.
I've been through the same games, and others...

Never questioned or had a problem with the keyboard
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Originally Posted by The Cow
I've been through the same games, and others...

Never questioned or had a problem with the keyboard

Different strokes for different folks. It's just not as intuitive as moving a character with an analog stick or d-pad for me. I can do it more naturally with my thumb, than using 4 fingers.

But the mouse is much better for aiming so it's a trade off.

I would really kill for a Wii nunchuk like controller for my left hand to hand the moving and a few other functions with 3 or 4 buttons on the underneath.
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The insistance that PC gaming requires constant upgrade-itis and fiddling with patches and drivers is ridiculous. Windows XP is very stable and requires little in the way of driver updates, and game patches are as quick as pressing the "update" button. PC gaming has gotten much easier over the years.

I'm running a socket 754 Athlon64 system. I built it originally 3 years ago January. I did do a lot of small upgrades this year, but they were all small. Overall it's about $500 investment, total, over the past 3 years - new stuff bought this year, minus selling my old hardware. I'm all done with my minor upgrades, though.

You don't need to spend much to game on a PC. However, only hardcore PC gamer folks burn a lot of cash on it. These are the guys that want to play FEAR at 1920x1200, maximum anti-aliasing, etc. These are the only folks spending $400-$500 on a video card or two. PC gaming does not REQUIRE this, any more than watching movies requires a 73" SXRD HDTV and a $1000 blu-ray player. I do fine with FEAR at 1280x1024 and a tiny bit of aliasing, thank you.

And a lot of non-tech saavy people go buy a new PC every time their old one gets 'slow' - when all it really needs is a fresh install of windows or maybe a drop-in video card upgrade.

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Old 01-29-07, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
For other games you can just use a gamepad (like the 360 controller which has a PC version).

But I agree with you on FPS. The keyboard part sucks, but the mouse is so much better than aiming with the right stick.

I still give a slight edge to the PC as aiming quickly and accurate is more important than walking/strafing accurately in FPS games.

But I too would like something that was an analog stick with a few buttons (for jump, reload, the action button etc) that was made just for the left hand--something kind of like the Wii nunchuck would be great.
I agree, the keyboard isn't really well suited well for games, I think it's too cumbersome, with too many buttons. I would suggest an N52, it makes the controls much simpler, and has a d-pad. Plus you can even make macros for certain things, which was great for MMORPG's. But it makes FPS's much easier for me, since I would always hit the wrong button on the keyboard.



I bought mine for $23, worth every penny.

I don't think PC gaming is dying, we are just in the console launch period, so consoles are the big buzz right now. Crysis will be somewhat of a big release, as it will show off Vista and DirectX10. And we will probably see another round of Doom 3/Half Life 2 size releases in a couple years, where the screenshots of the upcoming engines will create a buzz.
Old 01-29-07, 12:14 AM
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All I know is if PC gaming is dead then I won't be playing games any more. I don't care for console games. The only games I have ever remotely enjoyed on consoles were fighting games. I gave away my PS2 and Xbox since I never played them and both of them I got as gifts. Since those systems came out I have only built a new system once and I still played all the latest games without issues.

I just find console games don't hold my attention. I play for a few minutes and I am bored. I bought a 360 twice and returned it both times after playing with it for the weekend. The only attraction to the console for me is playing with friends, but my friends don't play games.
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Crysis
Bioshock
Command and Conquer 3
Unreal Tournament 3
Alan Wake

To name very few.

Far from dead, IMHO.
Old 01-29-07, 05:48 AM
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I'm at the computer too much already. When I want to relax and play
a game (or watch a movie for that matter) it's the last place I want to be.
Old 01-29-07, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CKMorpheus
Crysis
Bioshock
Command and Conquer 3
Unreal Tournament 3
Alan Wake

To name very few.

Far from dead, IMHO.
The only game on that list exclusive to the PC is Crysis.
Old 01-29-07, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by taffer
The only game on that list exclusive to the PC is Crysis.
Playing an RTS on a console is masochism.
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Originally Posted by GreenMonkey
The insistance that PC gaming requires constant upgrade-itis and fiddling with patches and drivers is ridiculous. Windows XP is very stable and requires little in the way of driver updates, and game patches are as quick as pressing the "update" button. PC gaming has gotten much easier over the years.
I agree. I built a computer over 3 years ago. Just recently it started to run new games a little too sluggish for me, so I bought a 7600GT for under $200, and everything is running good again. That's the only upgrade I've made.

I've also never had much trouble with XP. I have it do the auto updates and I update my video drivers maybe once or twice a year, if I even remember. It's definately gotten much easier than back in the DOS days, when I used to have to mess around with the autoexec file to get a new game to run. I can't remember a game I've had trouble running in the last 3-4 years. I just install and play. I'm sure I've had a few games crash, but I can't remember any that caused me lots of problems. Hell, my 360 has locked up more times in the last year, than my PC has in the last 3 years.
Old 01-29-07, 02:32 PM
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I agree. I built a computer over 3 years ago. Just recently it started to run new games a little too sluggish for me, so I bought a 7600GT for under $200, and everything is running good again. That's the only upgrade I've made.

I've also never had much trouble with XP. I have it do the auto updates and I update my video drivers maybe once or twice a year, if I even remember. It's definately gotten much easier than back in the DOS days, when I used to have to mess around with the autoexec file to get a new game to run. I can't remember a game I've had trouble running in the last 3-4 years. I just install and play. I'm sure I've had a few games crash, but I can't remember any that caused me lots of problems. Hell, my 360 has locked up more times in the last year, than my PC has in the last 3 years.
I agree too, I built a pc almost two years ago, and I think I have only had a problem with one game, Painkiller, which I had to disable my nvidia firewall to play. Other than that I have played games from the most recent, to six or seven year old games without a problem. I have had very few crashes and or freezes

I have had just as many problems playing games on my 360, especially with backwards compatible games like Black which is only 1 year old. Full Auto also froze on me a couple times.
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I can't think of a PC game I've had trouble with in years. Civ4, UT2004, BFME1 & 2, CnC Generals, Guild Wars, all problem free. Even EA's games were mostly stable (minus the BFME2 crash-to-desktop issue which occurred once a week or so for me).
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So where do you guys get a gaming PC that isn't something like an Alienware monster? Do you buy all the parts, OS, etc. yourself and assemble it or are there midrange kits like Dell, Gateway, etc. that aren't garbage for gaming?

The reason i ask is i'm sitting on a PC i have probably had for 9 years and done hardly anything with as far as upgrading. I would love to at some point just use it for email and to hold music to stream to my 360 and buy a new PC to do some gaming on. I however, know absolutely nothing about building a system. Is it possible to get something that could run quick, play most games (i'm not concerned with bleeding edge graphics and the like - i prefer turn based strategy games and RTS on the PC) for under 800$? Or should i flatout plan on a fair amount more than that?
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PC games have become far more stable in recent years which is super cool. The problem I have with PC gaming is that the games preceed the hardware far too often. A game will come out and sure your PC will play it but in order to get the full experience you will need to purchase the nvidia/ATI xxxxx card that's coming out in a month. They fkn produce these games without any real restraint in mind, not even trying to maximize what's already out there but continually pushing the graphics technology.

I'm perfectly comfortable with building PCs. Does that mean I want to build a new one once every six months to keep up with the games that are coming out? Shit No! Every couple years I find myself with a graphics card that just won't play the newest games anymore, then I just have to wait till I feel like dropping the cash on a new one again. Rinse Repeat.
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Nope It can be done for $800 xmiyux, no problem.
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Originally Posted by kakihara1
PC games have become far more stable in recent years which is super cool. The problem I have with PC gaming is that the games preceed the hardware far too often. A game will come out and sure your PC will play it but in order to get the full experience you will need to purchase the nvidia/ATI xxxxx card that's coming out in a month. They fkn produce these games without any real restraint in mind, not even trying to maximize what's already out there but continually pushing the graphics technology.

I'm perfectly comfortable with building PCs. Does that mean I want to build a new one once every six months to keep up with the games that are coming out? Shit No! Every couple years I find myself with a graphics card that just won't play the newest games anymore, then I just have to wait till I feel like dropping the cash on a new one again. Rinse Repeat.
Yeah, I agreed. I have been in PC Gaming community since 1992 and I have built PC 5 times within 3 years to try catch up with game's steep hardware requirement.

For 15 years, I have noticed the biggest weak along PC Gaming industries is they pushed the envelope in latest technology instead of making a game that can meet all average PC. They forgot about the people who cannot afford to upgrade their PC.

The question "Is PC gaming dead for real?" I will have to say no.
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Nope It can be done for $800 xmiyux, no problem.
You mean build one for under 800$ or buy from a company a set PC for under 800$?


I do miss playing RTS games and both the new Civ and Age of Empires looked sweet as hell.
Old 01-29-07, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet
Playing an RTS on a console is masochism.
Personally I think the sentence could be shortened to

Playing an RTS is masochism.
But, hey that's just me.
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Originally Posted by porieux
Personally I think the sentence could be shortened to



But, hey that's just me.
Actually, I don't like them either, but if you think you dislike RTSs, then try one on a console.
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Originally Posted by kakihara1
PC games have become far more stable in recent years which is super cool.
That is not always the case. I tried playing Gun on my PC when it came out, and it was framerate hell. My PC was an Athlon 2000+ with 1 GB RAM and a Radeon 9600 video card. Gun on the PC was just a simple port of the console version that was designed for the PS2 hardware with no enhancements for PC. Yet, it ran like shit on my PC that was easily 5 times more powerful than the PS2. During the horse riding segments, the framerate would consistently drop to the single digits. I got to the part where you ride along and protect the stagecoach, and the framerate there was never more than 5 frames per second. I promptly uninstalled that game and got rid of it. There was just no excuse for that unoptimized piece of shit. My PC ran games like FEAR and Doom 3 much better than the less hardware intensive Gun. That is just pathetic.

Playing an RTS on a console is masochism.
Some RTS games can work on console. Pikmin for example.

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