Official Wii Thread pt. 3
10-04-06, 02:48 PM
#726
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Yeah, it isn't a deal-breaker, but I had hoped Nintendo's recent handheld trend kept up for the Wii. Anything that breaks down publishing barriers I'm all for. I'd love to be able to import things I know I'd enjoy but never see here. A great game is a great game, even if I have to print out a script to follow along.
$80 for the PS2.
10-04-06, 03:09 PM
#728
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His point was if you want to maximize consumer utility, you aren't going to import games even if the PS3 is region free as import games tend to run $60-70 and will probably be even more with the PS3 since the games are $60 domestically to begin with.
So you're not going to be limited by the company, but rather by your own efforts to maximize consumer utility. Thus being region free should be a moot point for you.
So you're not going to be limited by the company, but rather by your own efforts to maximize consumer utility. Thus being region free should be a moot point for you.
10-04-06, 03:16 PM
#729
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Since I've never been personally affected by region-locking since I started gaming with my Atari, this bothers me not at all.
10-04-06, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
Aren't we talking about the Virtual Console? All the higher costs associated with importing a game disappear when the distribution method is internet download. It should be no more expensive to download a Japanese game than an American version.
And I am frequently willing to pay a premium to enjoy culture from other regions.
And I am frequently willing to pay a premium to enjoy culture from other regions.
We were, until you said this.
Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
Is the PS3 going to be region free after all?
You're principle of maximizing economic utility doesn't make much sense in that context (nor in the context of thinking the Wii is too expensive but the $500-600 PS3 is not).
10-04-06, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
And as evidenced by Sony's unqualified success in the last two generations, a business model built on value and affordability can be extremely profitable for corporations as well.
Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
Also, region coding is a very big deal for me. I enjoy sampling culture from all over the world, and very strongly resent being limited in what I can read, watch, listen or play by a simpleton executive trying to reap monopolistic profits.
Josh is right, PS3 games in Japan are going to be about $80.
Ouch.
10-04-06, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
But again, I have a weakness for Japanese culture, so I would be willing to pay more for some quirky Japanese games than a regular US release. Besides, that is my choice to make.
10-04-06, 04:08 PM
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Just a bit of input here. Nintendo is rather apathetic about region coding. They comply with the idea for the sake of publishers as its important to their business forecasts from what I understand.
Nintendo will likely make it very easy to overcome the region coding. In that way the benefits of region coding are derived while proving to be a minor annoyance to gamers that want to import.
Nintendo will likely make it very easy to overcome the region coding. In that way the benefits of region coding are derived while proving to be a minor annoyance to gamers that want to import.
10-04-06, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
I shouldn't have to do any of those things. All forms of media should be playable everywhere period.
10-04-06, 11:23 PM
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In defense of Vandelay, a $1 region code defeat will not help for VC games, unless someone finds a way to access the VC of other countries.
However, I don't really understand what the rest of Vandelay's argument is about. Nintendo isn't on the side of value because Super Smash Bros. is still $30? You can get the Gamecube for $100 or $60 used. So a Gamecube with Super Smash Bros. is STILL cheaper than a new PS2 slim ($130 by itself) with a greatest hits PS2 game.
And I think it should be clear that the company seeking to be affordable and a good value this generation is clearly Nintendo and NOT Sony. I mean, hell, even if you turn the other cheek on the $600 system pricetag, how can you look at stuff like Gran Turismo HD and say that's a company with a business model of good value? To me that's far more disturbing than the region coding issue.
However, I don't really understand what the rest of Vandelay's argument is about. Nintendo isn't on the side of value because Super Smash Bros. is still $30? You can get the Gamecube for $100 or $60 used. So a Gamecube with Super Smash Bros. is STILL cheaper than a new PS2 slim ($130 by itself) with a greatest hits PS2 game.
And I think it should be clear that the company seeking to be affordable and a good value this generation is clearly Nintendo and NOT Sony. I mean, hell, even if you turn the other cheek on the $600 system pricetag, how can you look at stuff like Gran Turismo HD and say that's a company with a business model of good value? To me that's far more disturbing than the region coding issue.
10-05-06, 12:54 AM
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1. The GC is only 5 years old this november--not 6. It came out in Nov. 2001.
2. The Wii is more powerful than it graphically, nearly twice as much. It's not the 360 or PS3--not even close. But it isn't just the GC with a new controller either. i.e. Mario Galaxy looks MUCH better than Mario Sunshine when you see it in motion.
2. The Wii is more powerful than it graphically, nearly twice as much. It's not the 360 or PS3--not even close. But it isn't just the GC with a new controller either. i.e. Mario Galaxy looks MUCH better than Mario Sunshine when you see it in motion.
10-05-06, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
Anyway, I'm not the one who brought up pricing. Regional coding is despicable. End of tale. 
10-05-06, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
Clearly they are heading in another direction with the PS3, but the quality*quantity/price ratio of their current generation is unbeatable.
And I question how a 6 year-old console with a new controller for $250, or 12-year old downloadable games for $8 can be regarded as "good value". Hell, that's almost what I just paid for my brand-new physical copies of Beyond Good and Evil and Killer 7.
And I question how a 6 year-old console with a new controller for $250, or 12-year old downloadable games for $8 can be regarded as "good value". Hell, that's almost what I just paid for my brand-new physical copies of Beyond Good and Evil and Killer 7.
I'm not aware of a 6-year old console with a new controller coming out. Please elighten me.
BTW: Super Mario World > BG&E and Killer7
10-05-06, 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
And I question how a 6 year-old console with a new controller for $250, or 12-year old downloadable games for $8 can be regarded as "good value".
10-05-06, 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by PixyJunket
Well, you're from Europe.. so being region-free actually means a little something there with how long it sometimes takes for games to get there (IF they get there). For Americans, region-free is only good for crazies like myself who want to play games like Twinkle Fairy Princess that would never, ever come out in English.
Also, just because VC is region-coded doesn't mean you'll only be seeing games that were originally released there. I'd imagine that for stuff that was US only before it'd just be a matter of who owns the publishing rights to it in Europe allowing it to be on the VC system.
Also, just because VC is region-coded doesn't mean you'll only be seeing games that were originally released there. I'd imagine that for stuff that was US only before it'd just be a matter of who owns the publishing rights to it in Europe allowing it to be on the VC system.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it - after all the article doesnt actually say "only games that were originally released in Europe" just "European versions" so maybe they could optimise US/Japanese stuff for Europe, I dont know
10-05-06, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
I like Nintendo as much as the next guy, but let's face the facts here.
10-06-06, 10:19 AM
#745
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Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but:
Square Enix games will be available on the Virtual Console
Square Enix games will be available on the Virtual Console
10-07-06, 08:13 PM
#746
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