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Old 07-27-06 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by M2theAX
why not just get rid of consoles all together and use PC/Mac, I'm not a console fan and will stick to PC gaming

1) Most people don't want to spend $1000 a year upgrading a PC to meet the ever increasing requirements.
2) Most people probably don't have the technical know-how to upgrade a PC.
3) PC games are fairly buggy and can run inconsistently because they have to be designed to run on thousands of possible PC configurations. There is only one Xbox or PS configuration, so console games are less buggy and more dependable to run correctly.
4) Most people would rather play games sitting on a comfy couch rather than sitting at a PC desk.
5) Console gaming is a much bigger market, especially in recent years. New console launches and a few of the top games sell out in stores. When do you ever hear of a PC game or gadget selling out? Do you see people camping out in front of a store waiting on the newest video card?


Anyway, I would love to see something like the Wii-remote on the 360. The Wii-mote is basically a mouse that moves in 3D space. It would kick ass in FPS and RTS. Unfortunately, the Wii probably won't see too many games in those genres.
Old 07-27-06 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Drexl
Yeah, that would be nice. What would be good is something that had two parts: a remote with a D-pad and buttons, and an attachment with an analog stick and two more buttons. Oh, and each one would detect motion, so you could wave them like a wand to control the game. That would be great, if only someone would do that.
I bet you want the damn thing to be able to sing to you too! Ludicrous...
Old 07-27-06 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Drexl
Yeah, that would be nice. What would be good is something that had two parts: a remote with a D-pad and buttons, and an attachment with an analog stick and two more buttons. Oh, and each one would detect motion, so you could wave them like a wand to control the game. That would be great, if only someone would do that.
Old 07-27-06 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Save Ferris

I heard mentioned on the xbox forums that they dont want to use a KB/Mouse for FPS games because it would be too much of an advantage against people who used the controller--It would force everyone to use a KB/mouse.
I don't believe that microsoft really cares that much, but that would be 100% true. Gaming with KB+mouse is night and day over a controller. Obviously some people like the controller though, so they would have to have the option of both. I would personally buy many more FPS's if they had this option as I dont have the cash to upgrade my computer every other year to get a decent frame rate...
Old 07-27-06 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by kgrogers1979
1) Most people don't want to spend $1000 a year upgrading a PC to meet the ever increasing requirements.
2) Most people probably don't have the technical know-how to upgrade a PC.
3) PC games are fairly buggy and can run inconsistently because they have to be designed to run on thousands of possible PC configurations. There is only one Xbox or PS configuration, so console games are less buggy and more dependable to run correctly.
4) Most people would rather play games sitting on a comfy couch rather than sitting at a PC desk.
5) Console gaming is a much bigger market, especially in recent years. New console launches and a few of the top games sell out in stores. When do you ever hear of a PC game or gadget selling out? Do you see people camping out in front of a store waiting on the newest video card?
Pretty much my reasons for never liking gaming on a PC and never getting into it beyond the occasional game like Diablo.

I'd also add:

6. I'm at a computer all day at work, so I don't want to spend much of my free time at home in front of another computer. Would much rather lounge on the couch.

7. Prefer gaming on my HT set up, than a computer monitor. I know you can hook your PC up to an HD TV etc etc., but again, I wouldn't be caught dead with my PC in my living room.

8. Just don't like the genre's the PC does better than the consoles. FPS, Strategy games, sim games etc. aren't my bag. I like platformers, japanese rpgs, and quircky games like Warioware and Brain Age, along with the occasional fighting game, racing game or sports game. The consoles do most of those genre's better than PCs, and at worst are equal.
Old 07-27-06 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Drexl
Yeah, that would be nice. What would be good is something that had two parts: a remote with a D-pad and buttons, and an attachment with an analog stick and two more buttons. Oh, and each one would detect motion, so you could wave them like a wand to control the game. That would be great, if only someone would do that.
Still wouldn't have all the extra keys that a keyboard offers that are particularly helpful for these type of games
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After seeing Ferris' setup I did that with my own HDTV. I like it because if I need to look something up it's just a matter of switching the source on the tv.

FFXI does use a keyboard, but has anyone played that? Even on a big tv the dialog screen is so small. It didn't get a good transfer as far as that is concerned.

Having a keyboard to type messages would be nice, but I'm not using one to game. That's why I don't play on my pc, it's too much of a pain in the ass to remember /d and all the other codes to use a keyboard.
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There are a few people on this forum that use game pads that would own a k/m user in an FPS game, doctor west for one.
Old 07-28-06 | 06:06 PM
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Why can't someone develop a controller than offers the benefits of a keyboard/mouse combo without the clunky nature of using a typing device as a game control?
For years I've played all my PC games with a joystick for my right hand (with a nice weighted base) and a Logitech trackball mouse for my left. I move around and shoot with the right hand, and look around with the left.

I've never, ever heard of anyone else who has done this. So I might be the only one.
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Originally Posted by edstein
There are a few people on this forum that use game pads that would own a k/m user in an FPS game, doctor west for one.
Yes, but I'm sure you can find keyboard/mouse users that could beat those excellent gamepad users as well. The belief is that on a general level a keyboard/mouse combination has the advantage over a gamepad. You'l find particular users on both sides that excel at whatever controller they use, even trackballs
Old 07-28-06 | 07:41 PM
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I swear, there were times in multiplayer HALO II when the some of the players made what seemed like very precise shots and I wondered if they were using a keyboard and mouse. Then I had heard that some did indeed have that set up.

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Old 07-29-06 | 02:23 PM
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I buy most of my FPS's for the computer because of the mouse keyboard setup. Actually I use a Nostromo Speedpad N52 for my keyboard, it has less keys and gets less confusing. I can't stand playing FPS's with a controller.
Old 07-29-06 | 05:22 PM
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I dont have a 360 but i have an Xbox and for Rainbow Six 3 Black Arrow i could NOT get the hang of using the controller to aim for the life of me A shame too cuz it seemed like a great game but total frustration for me trying to target enemies even after using the invert controls it wasnt any better and i stayed away from FPS games for Xbox after that.
Old 07-29-06 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
I swear, there were times in multiplayer HALO II when the some of the players made what seemed like very precise shots and I wondered if they were using a keyboard and mouse. Then I had heard that some did indeed have that set up.

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Thanks for that link! If they had a 360 version I'd buy it.
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Yeah if the consoles offered a KB/M setup I would actually buy one. I have the shakes so it is almost impossible for me to play consoles FPS since I can't aim. I have the same problem with laptops. I can't use them without a mouse attached.
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Originally Posted by sracer
Thanks for that link! If they had a 360 version I'd buy it.
don't

i had it, it's nothing like playing on a computer at all (at least for FPS). Games for consoles weren't developed for a mouse and you can tell, it's actually worse when you try to rig it with this. the "dead" spots, the lack of customization, the way the movement "accelerates" for a thumbstick moved all the way to the right, throws everything completely off. you also cant just snap your wrist and do a 180 like on a PC FPS, the game will just chug along and turn your guy as fast as he would move as if you had your joystick pressed to the extreme right/left.

ended up selling mine to someone on this forum, forgot who.

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Old 07-30-06 | 10:31 PM
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Who wants to have a keyboard on their lap while playing games on their big screen? IMO, the game pads are just fine for FPS games, not as acturate but, not bad at all.
Old 07-30-06 | 11:13 PM
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"not bad at all"?

Not really. I couldn't get past helicopter level in Ghost Recon (360) because I had difficult time trying aim at those bad boys on the ground. I tried it several times and I finally gave up. With KB/Mousie, I would've past that level easily.

Not everyone have ability to maintain better aim with controller.
Old 07-30-06 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by McHawkson
"not bad at all"?

Not really. I couldn't get past helicopter level in Ghost Recon (360) because I had difficult time trying aim at those bad boys on the ground. I tried it several times and I finally gave up. With KB/Mousie, I would've past that level easily.

Not everyone have ability to maintain better aim with controller.

Perhaps it's time you Keyboard/PC folks adapted and evolved. Hell, I'm not the best gamer here and although that part of GRAW took me a few tries I made it. Hell, the next time I had to deal with that kind of action in the game I nailed it the 1st time.
Old 07-31-06 | 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Perhaps it's time you Keyboard/PC folks adapted and evolved. Hell, I'm not the best gamer here and although that part of GRAW took me a few tries I made it. Hell, the next time I had to deal with that kind of action in the game I nailed it the 1st time.

I am too used to a mouse for precise aiming, so I struggle when a console game requires precise aiming. When I first played Resident Evil 4, my aim with the handgun was horrible. I eventually got used to it though, and by the time I reached the castle area, I was pulling off a lot of headshots.
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i had it, it's nothing like playing on a computer at all (at least for FPS). Games for consoles weren't developed for a mouse and you can tell, it's actually worse when you try to rig it with this. the "dead" spots, the lack of customization, the way the movement "accelerates" for a thumbstick moved all the way to the right, throws everything completely off. you also cant just snap your wrist and do a 180 like on a PC FPS, the game will just chug along and turn your guy as fast as he would move as if you had your joystick pressed to the extreme right/left.

ended up selling mine to someone on this forum, forgot who.
That's good info. I always sort of debated whether I should get an XBox with something like this. But I realize a majority of the gaming community considers it "cheating." How do some people manage to aim so precisely with them if the controls aren't very responsive?
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Perhaps it's time you Keyboard/PC folks adapted and evolved. Hell, I'm not the best gamer here and although that part of GRAW took me a few tries I made it. Hell, the next time I had to deal with that kind of action in the game I nailed it the 1st time.
Tell it to my thumbs. They're not designed for that kind of stress.
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That's good info. I always sort of debated whether I should get an XBox with something like this. But I realize a majority of the gaming community considers it "cheating." How do some people manage to aim so precisely with them if the controls aren't very responsive?

You CAN use it, but if you are used to playing FPS with a mouse/kb you can tell that something isn't right with it. people are good with the controller for halo. Halo is an extremely slow FPS. The game is made for the controller. Quake 3, which came out like 8 years ago, is a hell of a lot faster than Halo 2. Ever play it on Dreamcast or PS2 with a controller? It's a nightmare to control.
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Originally Posted by McHawkson
Tell it to my thumbs. They're not designed for that kind of stress.




I guess ya'll got some catchin' up ta do...

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