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Old 03-16-06 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Rumored and denied for a long time, it should be noted Myamoto just confirmed Zelda WILL take advantage of the Rev. controller.
While I'm excited about both the Revolution and Twilight Princess, this move almost seems like a slap in the face to the people who bought Gamecubes just for Zelda. While they'll still be able to play the game, they'll miss out on some cool features.
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Old 03-16-06 | 06:01 PM
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I'm not sure how it would be a slap in the face of Gamecube adopters if the game gives you features on the Revolution that the GC owners were never expecting anyway.
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Plus, this isn't unprecedented. There were some interesting features in "Wind Waker" that required a GBA.

Considering I sold my GC because I'll be getting a Revolution on launch day, this is great news for Zelda fans like me
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Old 03-16-06 | 08:49 PM
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^ Well it was still going to be playable on the Revolution regardless. This is just a bonus. I keep meaning to box up the GC to get rid of it. Zelda was the only thing making me hang on to it.
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As soon as I saw Zelda get pushed back I knew it was to add Revolution controller functionality, but it's great to get confirmation of it. At this point, I am 100% sold on the Revolution from day one.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
As soon as I saw Zelda get pushed back I knew it was to add Revolution controller functionality, but it's great to get confirmation of it. At this point, I am 100% sold on the Revolution from day one.
I literally couldnt be more offended. I bought a Gamecube to play zelda months ago, i also just bought a Wavebird less then a month ago so that when zelda comes out ill have the best setup possible to enjoy it to the fullest. The fact that now the best way to enjoy zelda is with the rev controller is a slap in the face to anyone who bought a GC just to play zelda, and theres A LOT of us!! That is a poor choice by nintendo. VERY very poor.
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Old 03-17-06 | 12:32 AM
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The number of people who will buy a Revolution to play Zelda will far outnumber the people who are mad that they bought a GC for Zelda. Besides, you can still play Zelda on your GC and get a great experience. It's compatible with the Revolution, not necessary to play on the Revolution. And with the Revolution coming out at most likely $250 (Nintendo said under $300, and the GC came out at $200, so I'm guessing it will be in the middle), it's not that big of an investment for a great machine that will let you make full use of your Zelda.

As other people have mentioned, some GC games require a GBA to do every single thing in the game (such as Animal Crossing). Would you be totally offended if you bought that game and noticed you needed a GBA to get absolutely everything?

And finally, if you stepped back for a minute, you'd notice there are plenty of great Gamecube games that will absolutely validate your purchase of it right now. Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Cubivore, Pikmin, Fire Emblem, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros, etc. etc. are all great and worth playing. And all GC games will play on the Revolution, so no problem with upgrading later. Not only that, but as far as I know, GC controllers will work on the Revolution, so even your Wavebird was not a wasted expenditure.

In other words, there is no offense here except the one you imagine. Nintendo is doing everything right so far with the Revolution, and making Zelda work with the new controller is a stroke of genius. The only ones getting slapped in the face by this are Sony and Microsoft.
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Old 03-17-06 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
In other words, there is no offense here except the one you imagine. Nintendo is doing everything right so far with the Revolution, and making Zelda work with the new controller is a stroke of genius. The only ones getting slapped in the face by this are Sony and Microsoft.
I agree. Having Zelda as a launch title with controller functionality is a stroke of genius. Plus we don't know what else they have going on. Mario may not be ready in time, in which case Zelda is the Ace in the Hole for them.

Your current system is what you make of it now, not what "may" be released down the road. It will still be a very great(and same) game on GC, the only difference is the controls. Hardly something to get up in arms about.
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I guess this is a good compromise for those wishing Z:TP would be a launch title for the Rev. In a way it will be, though I imagine it'll be packaged in the Gamecube style case.

I did have a question - will we be able to use our GC memory cards when playing those games on the Rev? (or transfer the info somehow?)
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Old 03-17-06 | 03:25 PM
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I like the idea of Revolution style controls, but I wish I could have my Zelda now.
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I cannot see it in any way of a good thing, i wasted 100 dollars on a gamecube purchase i could have spent torwards a rev, which makes my gamecube obsolete for the task i bought it before. The money has nothing to do with it, its just sad that nintendo doesnt have many chips in their corner that they have to make a gamecube into something to be compatable with the Rev to use it as a sales device rather then having a Revolution killer app. They delayed zelda in order to accomplish this, and in turn disowned all gamecube owners who put FAITH into nintendo for a big time killer app to send off the system. No matter how you sugar coat it, that is whats going on, and its sad.

p.s. - Im bitter on my GC purchase due to this news. I literally havent even TRIED my wavebird other then to see if it works. At least sony is still releasing great apps till the last days of ps2 into the ps3 to not abandon their people who got them where they are. Imagine if FF12/Kingdom Hearts 2 got delayed to take advantage of the ps3 hardware? That would be some SORRY stuff. Thankfully, sony has more love for its consumers then nintendo does it seems.
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I cannot see it in any way of a good thing, i wasted 100 dollars on a gamecube purchase i could have spent torwards a rev, which makes my gamecube obsolete for the task i bought it before.
You knew the Revolution would be able to play GC games, so you could have just waited.

Now you're whining over what will probably just be some half assed gimmicky use of the controller. This is after all a GC game, so it's not going to be anything crucial.

Probably just something extra like the tingle stuff you could do with the GBA in Wind Waker. Nothing to make your GC purchase any more worthless than it already was when buying it in the same year a new console with 100% backwards compatiblity was coming out.
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Old 03-17-06 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
You knew the Revolution would be able to play GC games, so you could have just waited.

Now you're whining over what will probably just be some half assed gimmicky use of the controller. This is after all a GC game, so it's not going to be anything crucial.

Probably just something extra like the tingle stuff you could do with the GBA in Wind Waker. Nothing to make your GC purchase any more worthless than it already was when buying it in the same year a new console with 100% backwards compatiblity was coming out.
I bought it in 2005 because Zelda was due out around the time i bought the GC. I bought it for that reason. It getting delayed was for Rev reasons, and defeated the purpose of getting a GC for me. You fail to see how this looks to someone who bought a system a while back with the intent to play a game that was supposed to be out shortly, only to have the game delayed for months upon months so that it could help bolster the sales of ANOTHER system vs the one it was intended for. Am i the only one seeing this? Cmon now.
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Well if you've had it that long, you shouldn't be whining. You should be enjoying it's stellar exclusive games.

There are a ton of great games you can play and could have been playing on the system. Wind Waker, Mario Sunshine, Smash Bothers, Super Monkey Ball 1&2, Resident Evil 1, 0 and 4, Eternal Darkness, Pikmin 1 & 2, Metroid Prime 1&2, Mario Kart, Soul Calibur 2, Star Wars Rogue Leader and it's sequel etc. etc.

If you bought the gamecube just for Zelda, then that's the price you pay. I bought the X-box for KOTOR and it's largely gathered dust otherwise.
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Old 03-17-06 | 04:49 PM
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Well if you've had it that long, you shouldn't be whining. You should be enjoying it's stellar exclusive games.
I'll go even further and say that if you bought a GC for a Zelda release date and actually thought it would arrive on that date you shouldn't whine. It's like buying a system because Rare is releasing a new game sometime "soon" or upgrading a PC for the new Blizzard title.

I mean i got an xbox for Starcraft: Ghost.
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Old 03-17-06 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Blitz6Speed
I cannot see it in any way of a good thing, i wasted 100 dollars on a gamecube purchase i could have spent torwards a rev, which makes my gamecube obsolete for the task i bought it before. The money has nothing to do with it, its just sad that nintendo doesnt have many chips in their corner that they have to make a gamecube into something to be compatable with the Rev to use it as a sales device rather then having a Revolution killer app. They delayed zelda in order to accomplish this, and in turn disowned all gamecube owners who put FAITH into nintendo for a big time killer app to send off the system. No matter how you sugar coat it, that is whats going on, and its sad.

p.s. - Im bitter on my GC purchase due to this news. I literally havent even TRIED my wavebird other then to see if it works. At least sony is still releasing great apps till the last days of ps2 into the ps3 to not abandon their people who got them where they are. Imagine if FF12/Kingdom Hearts 2 got delayed to take advantage of the ps3 hardware? That would be some SORRY stuff. Thankfully, sony has more love for its consumers then nintendo does it seems.
Would you like some cheese with your whine? Again, you could buy a ton of GC games to play RIGHT NOW that would be tons of fun and can't be had on any other system. And anything you buy now will work on the Rev if you decide to upgrade. If you really bought a system for just one game, then you made a bad purchase no matter how you cut it. Go buy some other games and have some fun with the system or just sell it and wipe your hands of the whole thing. But complaining does nothing.

Personally, I just spent two weeks playing Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, using my wavebird, having a great time despite the fact that Zelda isn't out. I have nothing to complain about, as I got my money's worth and more out of the system, as you could, but instead, you choose to bitch and moan. It's a shame, really.
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To everyone telling me im whining, let me make my rebuttle. First off, i did try out a LOT of games once i got my cube. Contrary to a lot of people out there, i started playing games on my Atari 2600 and never stopped. I am a HUGE nintendo fan and loved my nes/snes more then i ever thought possible. I still till this day remember blowing into my gold Zelda cartridge to get it working and playing for what it seemed like weeks. Ive finished metroid at least 10 times, Super metroid at least 4 times. Ive cleared every 2d mario available more times then i can count and i had my SNES with SMW budle on day one of its release. Im a hardcore nintendo fan, which is why its so sad to see whats become of the company.

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There are a ton of great games you can play and could have been playing on the system. Wind Waker, Mario Sunshine, Smash Bothers, Super Monkey Ball 1&2, Resident Evil 1, 0 and 4, Eternal Darkness, Pikmin 1 & 2, Metroid Prime 1&2, Mario Kart, Soul Calibur 2, Star Wars Rogue Leader and it's sequel etc. etc.
Lets see here. Windwaker i gave such a chance to get into, got about 1/4 of the way and could not get over how childish the game felt to me. Ontop of that, it was boring and didnt have the magic of the old zelda games. Basically, i felt cheated out of my zelda experience by them slapping a zelda name onto a game that wasnt worthy to be in the same leage as the previous titles. I never liked Mario64 and SMS is the same thing. Super smash bros was actually pretty neat, but at my age, all my friends gave up gaming a while back, so id have no one to play with so it not being online capable, lost my intrest quickly.

I never liked SMB, too repettitive. I didnt really enjoy RE on PS1, so doubt i would on GC. RE4 was awesome (they fixed the controls) but i got the ps2 one for the extra content. I did try out the GC one tho, and it is definetly the better looking of the 2. Metroid prime is now a stinkin FPS game, and i despise FPS games. SC2 i had on ps2, etc etc etc. So you get the idea, i tried to get into what the GC had (i do play F-Zero from time to time), but honestly, all i wanted was a good Zelda experience out of it to justify the purchase. Delay after delay, then news it would be played best on newer hardware, just threw it down to a new low for me.

If you bought the gamecube just for Zelda, then that's the price you pay. I bought the X-box for KOTOR and it's largely gathered dust otherwise.

Read above. I did try out the system and its titles. Maybe im in the minority since im not such a avid nintendo fan from its N64 and up days, and i wanted to give them another chance to redeem themselves with a good Zelda experience, and now this. If im whining, then im done with the topic, i just wish nintendo wanted to please their current audience vs abandoning them to move onto their so-called "next gen".
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One last time: If they really wanted to abandon this gen, they would have just made Twilight Princess a Rev title. They didn't. If you played Ocarina, then Twilight Princess will play pretty similarly. If you liked how that played, then you won't miss anything big by playing TP on the Gamecube.
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Exactly. All you miss is some control gimmic that's probably somethign stupid like using it in the fishing mini game.

It can't be anything major since it's still a GC game.

I can see whining about the delays, but I wouldn't worry about the controller functions as that' probably won't be much to miss out on.
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I still am having a hard time understanding the "Wind Waker was too kiddy" argument that people have. Other than the N64 incarnations which Zelda had "adult" graphics? Zelda isn't God of War. (I only mentioned God of War, because I finally bought it and beat it.)
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Lets see here. Windwaker i gave such a chance to get into, got about 1/4 of the way and could not get over how childish the game felt to me. Ontop of that, it was boring and didnt have the magic of the old zelda games. Basically, i felt cheated out of my zelda experience by them slapping a zelda name onto a game that wasnt worthy to be in the same leage as the previous titles.
This confuses me profoundly, as I thought WW was pure Zelda magic and was gorgeous to boot...but as long as you gave it a chance, you're certainly entitled to your opinion on the matter.

The only Zelda title that felt like sacrelige to me was Majora's Mask, which I thought was a repetitive turd and didn't get more than an hour into it...and I'm sure someone somewhere is gasping about that.

Metroid prime is now a stinkin FPS game, and i despise FPS games.
First, an "amen" to hating FPS games. That said, Metroid Prime is without question, the exception to everything I hate about FPS games. It is brilliant in every way and it...this is important...doesn't require 4 hands to control. It's very intuitive and is on par with the best of the Metroid series.

Read above. I did try out the system and its titles. Maybe im in the minority since im not such a avid nintendo fan from its N64 and up days, and i wanted to give them another chance to redeem themselves with a good Zelda experience, and now this. If im whining, then im done with the topic, i just wish nintendo wanted to please their current audience vs abandoning them to move onto their so-called "next gen".
For my gaming dollar, Nintendo can do no wrong. The N64 and GC may not have been huge financial successes, but check any top 100 of all time list and it will surely be littered with N64 and GC titles.
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I still am having a hard time understanding the "Wind Waker was too kiddy" argument that people have. Other than the N64 incarnations which Zelda had "adult" graphics? Zelda isn't God of War. (I only mentioned God of War, because I finally bought it and beat it.)
I agree totally. Just because something looks more animated or cartoon-like, it is then considered "childish". That and I find many just repeat what magazines say.

Oh well, I like many styles of games, cartoony, realistic and everything in-between. As long as it is fun.. and Wind Waker was fun for me.
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WW was an awesome, awesome game experience, better than ANYTHING offered on the PS2 or XBOX. To me, it rises above for NOT taking the easy road and being gory and violent just to pander to the mindless GTA crowd.
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WW was an awesome, awesome game experience, better than ANYTHING offered on the PS2 or XBOX. To me, it rises above for NOT taking the easy road and being gory and violent just to pander to the mindless GTA crowd.
I loved WW, probably the best in the series behind LTTP.

Although I thought it was too easy, I didn't die once on my first play through. If it was a little more challenging, it would have been the best of all time.


I hated Majora's Mask, the only Zelda game I never finished.
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