What dicates if ICT is enabled or not?

it may not seem like a big difference, but I bet 100 dollars or 200 will be a big difference to most people.

The disc. Its up to the studios to use it. I don't expect the grace period of keeping it off the discs to last long.

I'm sure the games won't have it and will probably all output 1080i over the component. Maybe even 1080p if that is really possible and if HDTVs can accept the signal that way.

I can't believe they use the same shape for the controller again. That's so lame.

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

I am wondering if the more expensive version also includes more accesseries. If it does then it will simply be a no brainer. Damn I am really going to have to work my but to afford this but I have a feeling it will be worth every penny.

Well, if that's the case then I guess everyone will be buying a Wii this Holiday season. Sony and Microsoft should throw in the towel now. How will they compete when their system is $200-$300 more than a Wii.

Its always the case ain't it. People complaining how expensive it is then next thing you know....you hear about people lining up for days in the cold waiting to get their hands on it and mothers scolding store employees saying they should have stocked more in hand. Just because you think its expensive don't mean that its the end of things, it only means your broke.

Time will tell on the pricing. I imagine it will sell fine.

I'd love to see the Wii kill the competition just because the day $500-600 console launches become accepted and the norm is the day I finally fully retire from gaming.

It's just not worth it when there's so many other things I enjoy more than gaming. And I imagine that's true for many casual gamers. They risk pricing gaming back into a niche market and back out of the mainstream some IMO.

If they are going to spend $500 on the PS3, it would be like spending $300 on the 360. If they want what they could have had with 360 for $400, they will have to spend $600, or 50% more. Now consider that when this does launch there is probably a price drop on the 360.

I'm not saying Sony won't sell lots of them, but I don't think it is quite as rosy as some here make it out to be. I also don't see this helping them win the format war as much as I expected.

It makes me wonder if any console gamers will revitalize the PC gamer market. That has started to die off, but at the price of this, I would be more inclined to PC for awhile.

But games sell the console, so that will be the big deal, most likely.

How do you figure? With the $500 PS3 you get the same size HD, a better overall system and Blue-Ray. You don't even get an HD-DVD with the $400 360 edition. So, I think it's really unfair to compare the 2 bundles.

Maybe it's because I'm poor, but I think $500 is simply too much for a console---$600 is just...wow. If the technology isn't here to support the "next-generation gaming," why force it? And I do see $600 as being "forced," but I also admit that others may find the Blu-Ray support and the HD-gaming to be worth it. But you can count me out.

I'm not a hardcore gamer... I'm more of a "few times a week" kind of player. So the 360 and PS3 are over-priced for my usage. But it is their multimedia capabilities in addition to their game playing abilities that made me buy the 360 and is now making me consider a PS3.

IMO, MS dropped the ball on the whole "media hub" feature. From what I've seen of the PS3, I'm encouraged. The interface to Sony's online store looks lightyears ahead of Microsoft's XBox Live Marketplace interface. And if Sony allows copying media to/from the harddrive and remote media access via WiFi, then I can justify selling off my 360 and getting a PS3. Oh, and if backward compatibility is fully realized and not just a marketing promise, then I'll be lining up to buy the $600 model on release day.

Both versions can play Blu-Ray movies and HD games. Just no 1080p and downrezzing on ICT discs. I at first was planning on going the cheap roate but without Wifi (no wireless controller) and no HDMI (meaning no 1080p). Very few people have 1080p televisions and ICT discs will probably be rare. Still I gotta go with the more expensive unit to future proof myself.

HDMI this and 1080i that... What do you guys think of the motion-sensor? How blatant can they be with the rip-off? I mean, developers are definitely going to be thinking about this when creating games for the Nintendo Wii.

Maybe it isn't a fair comparison, but I think most people, especially kids who are nagging their parents, won't see it that way. They will see it as "buy the top bundle for $400 or $600."

I do give props to Sony for having a HD standard on both. I think MS dropped the ball on that one. I don't understand not having the memory stick on the "tard pack" though. Those types of things just let you sell more accessories, which are money makers.

What does wifi have to do with wireless controllers? Aren't the controllers Bluetooth?

If I already have a wired online solution and an HDTV incapable of 1080p, and one with DVI input, but not HDMI, is there any reason for me to get a $600 unit? Because if not, I'll be pretty happy.

The DVI will let you play 1080p or true 1080i if you get a HDMI->DVI adaptor, so it would make sense for you to get a $600 one if the HD aspect of it is a big deal for you. DVI is way better than component.

As for the motion-detection, it's going to be enabled on about five games for the PS3. The system simply isn't designed for it. Yes, the motion detection is there, but it's a throwaway. The entire point behind the Wii is that it's a different way to play games. The point behind the PS3 is to play the best looking games, but you play them the way you played the PS2. I'm willing to bet no third-parties will even bother with the motion detection, and the games that do will give you the option to play without it, so it's really useless. The gaming experience is not centered around it, unlike the Wii. That's fine with me, because I'm not buying a PS3 for motion detection. I'm buying it for BR, for the cell processor, for MGS4, etc.

For HD Blu Ray playback, you need HDMI or a HDCP compliant DVI connection.

Not all DVI is HDCP compliant though.

Yes, I didn neglect to mention that (in both threads). Mine is compliant, so I have no problems.

Good lord, this shit just gets more and more complicated. How do I find this out? As I'm using a HDMI-> DVI cable for my current upscaling DVD player, does that mean with the $600 model I'll certainly be able to watch HD BR discs or do I need to look up my specs somewhere?

My stomach aches at the mere thought of a $600 system.....

If you're currently using an HDMI->DVI adaptor, then it should be HDCP compliant.

Thanks, Suprmallet. I looked up the semi-woeful review of my TV on cnet and indeed it is.

So I guess I gotta go $600.

That is my guess as well. It is like a typical Sony add on that may have a game or two that uses it, but in this case the add on is part of the system.

Its no Add-on WHATSOEVER. Its built into EVERY single controller for the ps3. Its a standard feature. If you need an example of how it can work properly, imagine fight night round 3, you get knocked out, you have to go crazy with the motion sensing to build up momentum to get back up, and im willing to bet that happens as it is already without the motion sensing LOL