Ever since I paid $369 (with 5 games bundle) for a 3DO in 1994, I vowed to never spend over $100 for another system. I think people forget how expensive consoles have always been at launch, but man, when the 3DO debuted for $699, that was crazy (and people bought them anyway). It was supposed to get a hard drive, a modem, all kinds of stuff....but it died, and my innocence died with it (sniff).

The Xbox360 doesn't remind me of the 3DO in anyway, but it does remind me of the Dreamcast in a few negative ways.
1) Launching early out of desperation at losing to Sony the previous generation.
2) By launching early it will be a generation behind in its storage medium.
3) By launching early it will have a graphics power disadvantage over Sony (not proven yet though)
4) Sony is scaring off potential buyers by overhyping their coming hardware as a uber system the same way they did with the PS2.

Now that said, the Xbox360 has much better software support and a big time powerhouse behind it so it differs from the Dreamcast in many more ways than it is similar, but I did want to point out the themes that might repeat themselves.

I also loved the Dreamcast so the 360 being like it in some ways may be a good thing for me in the long run.

$START RANT$

yeah i'm not getting one for a few weeks now because they are none to be got! up until the thurs before launch i was dead set on not getting one maybe waiting till summer. it looks again as if i'll be waiting due to a shortage. when i log into my partner site on the microsoft network there are complaints out the ass due to the shortage. and if no one has noticed it is only a few weeks away from launch in jap and um there is no shortage and sales are like 1 in 40 people. anyway not being able to get one a launch has been good really, finding out people are having problems with the wireless control and the headset sucks. i really hope the people in charge of pricing and marketing at ms die a painful death from STDs or something.

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Yep, the big difference is that the Microsoft machine won't run out of cash like the Dreamcast unfortunately did. I loved my Dreamcast... it died off too soon.

Sorry if someone already posted this.

MS has already said that there will be not upgrade to HD-DVD/Blue Ray. The said this days after the launch.

I have an XBox and it works great, but:

1. No HD-DVD/Blue Ray = No sale
2. Waiting for PS3
3. Can't stand that MS is only going to release "Halo 3" on XBox 360

Why?

What should they release it on?

Apparently the DVD player for PS2 is pretty crappy. As such, I can't imagine the Blu-Ray player will be that sophisticated either. As such, I'll not worry too much about factoring that element into my gaming console decision...

Please keep this on-topic, thanks

"Machine" meaning the company... Sega couldn't support the Dreamcast any longer. Microsoft won't have such problems.

What if Blu-Ray ends up being like memory sticks or Betamax? If Sony wins the Blu-Ray battle it will mark the first time in a loooong time they've won a format battle. Put it this way: If the new PS3 was DVD, but it could also play UMD... will that make you buy it? There's a slim (but good) chance that Blu-Ray will be useless. Why buy the PS3?

That's a cheap excuse. If the PS3 ends up being better, you can probably sell your 360 for about half the price. Is $200 too much to pay to have a top-of-the-line system for 6-12 months? I'm waiting for the PS3 as well. I don't see any reason to not have all two (or three) systems.

What else would they release it on? Are you mad the new Metal Gear Solid is not going to be on a PS2?

Guys, arguing with people's reasons for not buying one is pretty much threadcrapping. I mean, it's not different than if someone went into one of the other 360 threads and started critizing someone's reasons for buying one, which would get reported to the mods in 3 seconds.

The thread was started so people not buying one could dicuss why they're not buying one without threadcrapping and pissing off people in the other 360 threads. So there's really no need for people buying one, or planning to buy one, to wander in here and pick apart people's reasons for passing.

Not that I care that much, but the double standard, as noted earlier in the thread by Groucho, is somewhat annoying.

I guess my question is, aren't threads a matter of discussion? Aren't alternative viewpoints allowed in threads? There was plenty of negative feedback about the 360 posted in the huge One & Only 360 thread. You of all people should know that, since a lot of it came from you. Why is this thread sacred and not allowing other viewpoints? If you want to go and post in other 360 threads negative opinions, as long as it fits within the criteria of the thread.

Also you aren't a mod, so please don't try and moderate these threads. Thanks.

Fair enough,

just seemed that this thread had no purpose other than to split out the negative discussion from all the launch threads once that big one and only was closed.

But like you say, you're the mod. Just make sure you cut both ways like you say and don't start warning people for thread crapping when they post something negative (that's not just a console bash) in one of the other threads.

The serious thread crapping that was going on in this thread before, the stuff Groucho I believe was referring to, were the comments along the lines of "If you don't want to buy an Xbox 360 you are POORRRR OR DUMB OR BOTH!!!1111".

I guess I don't see what is wrong with someone replying to a list of reasons why someone isn't getting one? This is a discussion board.

I'll happily cut it both ways. I dislike any thread craps. Please please please report any of that stuff in the future and I'll promise to take a look and use my best judgement.

If you have something negative to say about any machine, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. JoshHinkle: I think you are a great example of someone who critiques consoles but in such a way that it's not threadcrapping. I wish everyone had that kind of tact.

To be fair, if I had not (miraculously) somehow gotten one on launch day I probably would not care to pick one up until the spring. This is actually the first system I got at launch. I usually wait 1-2 years before jumping in.

What was different about this launch that got you to buy in early?

1. If Blue Ray makes it out (which I think it will) on SP3, then I only have to buy 1 system, which will save me money. It will not be like other formats from Sony, Blue Ray has a huge backing from DVD/Movie fans.

2. I do not want to give $200 away. I have an Xbox now and enjoy it now.

3. Release Halo 3 on XBox 360 and not on Reg XBox, yes that ticks me off. It is forcing me to buy XBox 360 to play the game I bought my XBox for. It is just a MS move to force people to buy their sys.

4. I am hoping that the XBox 360 does not selling an overwhelming amout, so then they would have to put out Halo 3 out on Reg XBox.

But it's not like MS is being unusual here.

New consoles come out, and the sequels go to it and no more games come out for the previous one.

Every system in the history of consoles has been this way. You don't see a new Mario game on the N64 once the gamecube launced, no new metal gears on the PS2 when the PS3 comes out etc.

That makes no sense at all. You bought the XBox anticipating Halo 3? Some consoles never even get sequels to best selling games. With the XBox you got 2 marvelous games with Halo and Halo 2. It would be one thing if they scrapped development on Halo 3 half way through to make it a 360 game like some N64 games that ended up on Gamecube, but I really haven't heard anything like that.

Would never happen. Halo 3 will sell 360's. Plus, I can't see any developer scaling back their next gen games to put them on previous systems.

Waiting for the PS3 and wanting HD-DVD or Blu Ray are normal reasons though.

That's silly. Taking a $200 hit (plus hits on all games and peripherals bought) because you wanted to try out the 360for a few months? If you want and can afford both, that's fine, but don't criticise those of us who want one system and (quite understandable, IMO) feel that the PS3 will probably be both technologically superior and more functional. For current systems $150 now is indeed a drop in the bucket, but $400 plus $60 per game starts to feel like real money to some of us. I think waiting is the right course of action to me at this present time and I'm really not feeling much regret or envy about missing out on this launch. Playing my brand new PC copy of CoD2 helps.

I'll throw my 2 cents into the ring...

I'm not getting one until they redesign the power supply in the very least. All of the problem reports have been tied back to the PS over heating with some gamers even going so far as to raise the the supply off the ground with a string to give it proper airflow.

It's shockingly scary to me that they could not have found this problem prior to release, it makes me very concerned over the total quality of the unit. Having had a previous problem with the original xbox power supply I would think MS would wise up on this...



Plus it is freakishly large... To summarize, I guess I'm against buying something until it is proven tech wise. I do make exceptions though.

Sony is starting to scare me with this lack of information, so a 360 may be in my future (especially if they can't put a decent online service together). But there is no way in hell I will be purchasing one until they add HDMI support for a true digital video output. Why they hell would I ever want to feed an analog signal to my digital TV?

Well I've been toying with the idea of upgrading my PC so I can run new games. However, to get a decent gaming rig, you need to spend upwards of $1500; that's just for motherboard, CPU, memory, and video card.

I've also had problems with my PS2 and running DVDs on my new LCD TV. Frankly, the PS2s DVD output was always atrocious to begin with.

And I love Elder Scrolls.

So between all those three reasons, it became a bit clear that a 360 could fill all those needs for less than the price of a new PC and a new DVD. Sadly, Oblivion has been delayed, and high-end PC gaming does not, graphically, in any way compare to even the new systems, but I'm happy. My favorite function of the 360? The remote control that can actually turn it on and off. That'll be great when I'm too tired and lazy to get up to turn it off.


I did a similar inspection yesterday. Raising it off the ground for airflow is not going to help, there are no vents on the sides or bottom. I didn't want to keep it on the carpet so I put it on top of an enclosure where I have my cable modem, router, and VoIP box. No problems so far.

Here's some interesting input on the power supply/overheating thing.

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl...58237&from=rss

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27930

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/show_...3998153&page=0

That power supply is obnoxious. At least the plug part of it isn't the biggest part [I not-so-fondly recall trying to fit the PSUs for Gen, 32x, Sega CD, and TV all on one power strip.] But you'd think it would be slightly more streamlined.
The size of it isn't a huge factor for me, though annoying; its ability to overheat would be, however.