Sony won't be doing it through emulation. They'll have the chipset built in just like they did for the PS1 games on the PS2.

Again, let's see what Sony actually produces before stating PS3 capabilities as "fact".

Hasn't it already been anounced in the specs that it had the chips on board?

The official thread that culled together all the info from the press releases has this to say.


Not to mention emulation won't be possible as I don't think the PS3 is coming with an HD at launch.

So it may not be fact, but it's likely. A company would have to be brain dead to follow in MS's path after how much shit they're getting about it.

...and of course the PS2 was 100% backwards compatible with the PS1.

Actually, aren't there 6 or so games from PS1 that won't work on the PS2? Either way, the number is miniscule.

Miniscule but growing. The newer PS2s have new backwards compatibility issues. I think it mostly affected Japanese titles though.

Wasn't the last update that there wouldn't be any BC updates until March? Has anybody heard what (if freaking anything) they're working on and will it be released this month?

The list has been updated.
Well, they changed the date anyway, the list looks the same to me.
What a crushing disappointment.
Remember before the 360 was released?
Not only were they going to concentrate on 100% BC, they were going to make sure new Xbox 1 games would be BC out of the box, via the game disc.
Yeah Right.

so where or when do we get this majic update???

Honestly, as much as I want 100% BC, I'd rather have them focus on other areas than this. I know last I heard they were dumping more manpower into BC, but before that I heard the BC team was going on a long vacation.

:shrugs:

I do feel a tad lied to, but ah well.

That all said, it's understandable that not all the games are BC and are taking a while - there are resolution problems galore, and anyone that has tried to convert a 4:3 PC game to a 16:9 native mode knows the hassle that can ensue. I'm sure if they just said fuck it and released the games to flat out play (ie - 4:3 mode in 480i mode) every game would work reasonably well, but upconverting everything to 480p - 1080i widescreen is definitely a chore.

That said, the list of current BC games is of course consisting largely of games that already support progressive, widescreen modes.

I'm done waiting. I just put most of my xbox games up on half.com while I can still get a decent amount for them.

really it isn't bad to convert most of the newer games last few years, it is just some changes in a couple files and bam you're done nothing big you can fix it with a text editor. though some games don't allow a FOV change, but not like microsoft cares about that anyway.

they probably said oh no guys we have systems dying and all these bugs need fixed in our product lets get that outta the way then work on BC

at any rate though we're all fuck on BC maybe the people who buy a 360 in a year won't be but we all our for now.

Uh... Crimson Skies, at least, is not widescreen... they just put the black bars on the side of the 4:3 picture. So they're not porting every 4:3 game to 16:9.

I would think that by this time, the new games coming out would have backward compatibility programmed in...

I think their pretty obvious bait-and-switch strategy is promote the Backwards Compatibility, give a huge list of crappy games that nobody wants to play anymore but at least looks promising, continually promise that updates are coming "at a later date," and see how many people will buy 360 updates of current gen games. I think Burnout and Far Cry are the biggest examples of this. Combined with what's reported about EA wanting to make Burnout Revenge backwards compatible and the fact that NONE of the Xbox new releases (most notably for me, Black) are BC.

I think they're banking on people buying and playing strictly 360 games and not caring about BC anymore. I'm fairly guilty now that Oblivion is out, but I've still got 15-20 worthy Xbox games to play.

I'm holding off on playing:

Psychonauts
Prince of Persia 2 and 3
Star Wars BattleFront 2
Xmen Legends 2
Ultimate Spiderman

and a few other Xbox games, because I'm waiting for backward compatibility. I still have my old Xbox, but not being able to transfer saves makes me want to wait if the list is going to be updated soon.

Not me, they seem to be focusing on everything but BC. I'm amazed at all the interviews with the Xbox360 staff at GDC and not one question about this important topic.

I don't mind them working on other things but they seem to have completely abandoned BC.

Its been updated. It now includes Black but only 3 other new games.
Oh well, I'm off to try Black on my 360.

They've added three games to the list...

http://www.planetxbox360.com/?view=a...cle=1103&cat=1

# BLACK
# Star Wars Battlefront II
# Soccer Winning Eleven 9

EDIT: Dammit you beat me by like two seconds.

Nice that they went through with Black at least, and Winning Eleven 9. Haven't played Battlefront II.

So far, Black plays great.
I did the first level at 16x9 720p and it was rock solid.

Half Life 2 now plays 16x9 in 720p but the framerate wasn't good (but I only played 2 minutes and it usually is slow after first loading).

SSX3 still only played 4x3 in 720p and I couldn't save, same as before.
They said they updated it, maybe I need to delete the game from my HD first.

I'll at least give them props for getting probably the most wanted game on the list, Black, that's not available for 360 as well. Still waiting on too many more to list but it's a start, if I could have picked one it would have been Black.

Just found an interesting update from IGN that updates a few of the old patches that they apprently fixed up:

March 30, 2006 - In a quiet release yesterday, Microsoft updated its backward compatibility list with two kinds of updates: newly added games and fixes to old games.



Recently added games feature Criterion's Black, Star Wars Battlefront II and World Soccer Winning Eleven 9. But it's the updated games that are really interesting. Twelve games previously on the list now work as they were intended to. Microsoft's engineers were able to better emulate the software in these particular games, and various reports indicate that Half-Life 2, Forza, Black, Ninja Gaiden Black, Ninja Gaiden, and SSX 3 are working smoothly in wide-screen and in both 720p and 1080i.

New Games:
Black
Star Wars Battlefront II
World Soccer Winning Eleven 9

Updated Games:
Darkwatch
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Half-Life 2
Fable
Fable: The Lost Chapters
Forza Motorsport
Ninja Gaiden
Ninja Gaiden Black
SSX 3
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
kill.switch
World Series Baseball 2K3

To receive the update, put any one of these games in your Xbox 360, connect to Xbox Live, and you'll get a quick five-second download. For a complete FAQ on BC games, check here.

I wish that they would fix the first Halo to play properly in 720p.

Anyone tried Black yet on the Xbox 360, worth getting?

Yes, I'm sure it's as simple as that.

cool maybe I'll rent Star Wars Battlefront 2 now.

Black is now on my list of games to get. :up:

nice to finally play Battlefront 2 on the 360. So cool to have another Live-enabled game to play.

Yeah, tell me about it. There are a ton of xbox games I have been missing out on. (got rid of my xbox Nov. 22nd when I got my 360) I really hope they keep this up, there are a few more xbox games I would love to try too.

I've read reports of Ninja Gaiden running perfectly now, anyone have it to test?

Glad to see they fixed up Fable.

Too bad Red Dead Revolver wasn't on that list...that game locks up on a level and I can't get past it.

I would really like to know this as well, since this new BC news, I have been looking on ebay for ninja gaiden and you can get it real cheap now!!!!! Thanks

Are we talking Ninja Gaiden Black or the original?

I don't have a 360 to test it on, but I've read multiple people who have said that the update fixed all the slowdown.

Goodness. And I just traded my Black game really because it doesn't work for the 360. I played just one level when it came out and haven't really touched it since then bec. of my disappointment with not being able to play it on widescreen/hd version. I should have looked at this thread first.

from majornelson.com:

Are there any programmers in here that actually know for sure how hard this project is? Every time I read a new article they try to make it out like a few people on the BC team died for this update and they hope we enjoy it. When in fact, MS said NUMEROUS times that they were doing very well and working toward 100% compatibility pre-launch.

Darn! Only 1/3 of mine Xbox games is backward Compatability

Still hope for!
Area 51
Armed & Dangerous
Breakdown
Coker: Live & Reloaded
Crimson Sea
Dead or Alive Ultimate
Doom 3
Doom 3: Resurrection (expansion pack)
Dungeons & Dragons: Heroes
Hitman: Silent Assissin
Kingdom Under Fire: The Crusaders
Kingdom Under Fire 2: Heroes
Kung Fu Chaos
Mechassault 2
Men of Valor
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance
Otogi
Otogi 2
Panzer Dragoon Orta
PSO 1 & 2
Phantom Dust
Project Gotham Racing
Project Gotham Racing 2
Samurai Shodown 5
Shenmue 2
SNK vs Capcom: SVC Chaos
Voodoo Vince