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Gallant Pig 11-13-05 08:24 PM

Well I sold my GameCube + 2 games for around $100. Then my Xbox + games for $350. So none of the money is actually coming from my pockets.

A lot of my games for Xbox were cheapie too. You woulda been surprised what you would have gotten for an Xbox and a bunch of games a couple of months ago. Plus a nice high quality presenation for the auction doesn't hurt.

jeffdsmith 11-13-05 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by JM
Nintendo used the same medium up until the GameCube--cartridges. Sure, they were shaped differently, but that was only to avoid confusion and keep people from trying to play NES games in a SNES (etc.). The insides of the cartridges were basically the same, other than having increasingly larger ROMs as time passed.

I disagree with your analogy. You are right about the carts, but the hardware in those systems was very different, just like the xbox->360 transition. To imply that a SNES could have been BC is erronous.


From a technical perspective, the Xbox and Xbox360 could not be much more different. For the few (apparently) who understand the implications of that, BC was not expected and is just an added bonus.
I did not expect it to be BC, from the begining I knew it would be very difficult for them to pull off. (Check older threads) The real problem is (IMO) that MS has used "BC" to market this system, therefore it should be widely supported, or in the very least deliver the more popular titles as promised. It is not a "bonus" when it is being used to sell systems, it is a product feature.

jeffdsmith 11-13-05 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by Gallant Pig
A lot of my games for Xbox were cheapie too. You woulda been surprised what you would have gotten for an Xbox and a bunch of games a couple of months ago. Plus a nice high quality presenation for the auction doesn't hurt.

I sold mine a couple months ago in preperation for the 360 too. just retained some low dollar games I didn't want to rebuy later.

DJ_Longfellow 11-14-05 05:40 AM

I'm glad to see Half-Life 2 on the list.....I'm picking this up this week, I guess I'll hold off to start it though, since I cannot transfer saves.

Michael Corvin 11-14-05 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by jeffdsmith
It is not a "bonus" when it is being used to sell systems, it is a product feature.

Exactly. Well said.

JM 11-14-05 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by jeffdsmith
I disagree with your analogy. You are right about the carts, but the hardware in those systems was very different, just like the xbox->360 transition. To imply that a SNES could have been BC is erronous.

Sorry, I was not clear. The first paragraph of my response really had little to do with the second.

I realize the hardware was very different between the NES and SNES etc. I didn't mean to imply otherwise (certainly not that the only thing holding up BC was the different carts). I was just pointing out to the other poster that (despite appearances) there really was not much difference in the medium used by the NES, SNES, etc., other than a different form factor and larger ROMs. Thus, while this may indeed have created an expectation of no BC, it really was an artificial one. Even if the carts had been exactly the same, BC still wouldn't have been feasible between the NES and SNES.

In other words, while consumers may very well expect (e.g.) the XB and 360 to be BC based on the fact that they use the same medium, that really isn't a sound reason for having such expectations. From a technical perspective, this often won't make any sense. I have come across people who think the PS2 should be able to play Xbox games and vice versa--after all, they both use discs!


I did not expect it to be BC, from the begining I knew it would be very difficult for them to pull off. (Check older threads) The real problem is (IMO) that MS has used "BC" to market this system, therefore it should be widely supported, or in the very least deliver the more popular titles as promised. It is not a "bonus" when it is being used to sell systems, it is a product feature.
For a long time, MS was quiet on BC, and it didn't look like it would happen at all. I don't think they have used it to market the system that much. 200 BC games at launch is impressive, even if some key ones are missing. It is not like that's all there ever will be. The BC team got started in the game late and with a large hurdle in front of them, and they simply ran out of time. They could have just launched without any BC, which again was what people thought in the not-too-distant past was going to happen. Or, MS could have delayed the launch in order to get better BC. Personally, I think that is a stupid reason to delay. Of course, I also think that BC is of dubious value anyway. It sounds good on paper, but I doubt most people will end up using it much. The only games I can see myself playing are Halo and H2 and even then it is because of the reportedly substantially improved graphics (a first for BC I believe).

belboz 11-14-05 09:54 PM

If there's a 5 MB download for each XBox game for backward compatibility, then it's not just an issue of play testing games to certify them as backwards compatible. They're actually patching the code and tweaking it so it'll work with the emulator.

xhonzi 11-14-05 09:54 PM

I know there are signifigant (which may itself be too small of a word) differences between the xbox and the 360, but won't the OS be mostly the same? And excuse my assumptions because I really don't know, but isn't that the main thing? I think it's more akin to expecting a Win98 game to run in WinXP or something...

But maybe I'm wrong. Again. :)

Xhonzi

Josh H 11-14-05 10:16 PM


Originally Posted by AllHallowsEve
But, backwards compatibility only started with the PS2. Thats why it seems kind of strange to me when people act as if we had since 1976.

Technology is supposed to progress, not regress.

It doesn't matter how long backwards compatibility has been around, it's been introduced, the competition will have it next gen, so it's dissappointing to some that the 360 doesn't have full compatibility.

Obviously its not a feature that everyone wants, but some people do like to replay games, and some have games they haven't bought/played yet.

It shouldn't be a deal breaker for some, but it will be enough to sway some people who were already on the fence about buying one.

Gallant Pig 11-14-05 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
Technology is supposed to progress, not regress.

It doesn't matter how long backwards compatibility has been around, it's been introduced, the competition will have it next gen, so it's dissappointing to some that the 360 doesn't have full compatibility.

Obviously its not a feature that everyone wants, but some people do like to replay games, and some have games they haven't bought/played yet.

It shouldn't be a deal breaker for some, but it will be enough to sway some people who were already on the fence about buying one.

Technology has progressed. MS has taken last gen games and given them AA & HD Resolution.

jeffdsmith 11-14-05 10:33 PM


Originally Posted by Gallant Pig
Technology has progressed. MS has taken last gen games and given them AA & HD Resolution.


Funny, I've had that on my PC for years. ;)

Josh H 11-14-05 10:36 PM


Originally Posted by Gallant Pig
Technology has progressed. MS has taken last gen games and given them AA & HD Resolution.

Fair enough.

I couldn't care less about either myself though.

Gallant Pig 11-14-05 10:55 PM


Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
Fair enough.

I couldn't care less about either myself though.

And some people don't care about BC. :)

I hope we see full BC by the time the PS3 comes out. That'd be nice.

Gallant Pig 11-14-05 11:01 PM


Originally Posted by jeffdsmith
Funny, I've had that on my PC for years. ;)

Weren't you the one busting my balls about not getting a Revo right away because they are skipping HD? :lol:

jeffdsmith 11-14-05 11:28 PM


Originally Posted by Gallant Pig
Weren't you the one busting my balls about not getting a Revo right away because they are skipping HD? :lol:

I'll say it again.


;)
BTW, this post is not spam. ;)

Gallant Pig 11-14-05 11:30 PM

:lol: :D

PixyJunket 11-15-05 07:42 AM

Out of about a dozen games or so that I've got, Prince of Persia and SSX 3 are the only ones on that list. They're also available on PS2/Cube so the exclusives I've got that are barely getting me to keep my Xbox aren't up there. Oh well, I wasn't planning on getting one at launch anyway, so I'm sure the list will be more in my favor once I decide to get a 360.

DJ_Longfellow 11-15-05 07:54 AM

I really don't care TOO much about BC. I'm only keeping a few games anyways. Looks like I may trade in my Battlefield, MVP, Madden 06 and a few other games this week. I can still get GOOD credit for them at GameRush. However, there are a few I'd like to keep, but no BC yet. Like Doom3 and Timesplitters:FP and a few others. I guess I'll get rid of my Midway Arcade Treasures also. I liked having them, but I honestly played them once or twice, so no big loss.

I'll just have lots of credit at GameRush....

gimmepilotwings 11-15-05 07:59 AM

Nothing about any Madden games are on there either.

Shameful.

PixyJunket 11-15-05 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by gimmepilotwings
Nothing about any Madden games are on there either.

Shameful.

Do people actually play older Madden games?

gimmepilotwings 11-15-05 08:22 AM

I still play Madden 2006, it is not on the list.

RockStrongo 11-15-05 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by Gallant Pig
Technology has progressed. MS has taken last gen games and given them AA & HD Resolution.

Some games on the current Xbox already have HD resolution.

Ive been a HUGE xbox fan. Its the only console that I own and I play it alot. BUT, the specs for the new system and lack of backward compatibility are really turning me off. I will NOT be buying one at least for a while.

The only thing now that can get me to buy one is if they have a game exclusively on the xbox that I want to play (like a sequel to Fable or Star Wars KOTOR).

Chrisedge 11-15-05 10:25 AM

No Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball = No Sale





:)

Michael Corvin 11-15-05 10:45 AM

Dman gamefly just sent me an email sale. I would love to pick up Conker and Destroy All Humans, but they would be coasters for my 360. :mad:

xhonzi 11-15-05 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Some games on the current Xbox already have HD resolution.

The funny thing is that most of those games are not on the list. X-Men Legends, Enter the Matrix, and Soul Calibre 2 are the ones I can think of off the top of my head that were 720p or 1080i.

There were some sports games that were HD too, right?

I wonder if it's coincidence or if there was an issue with games that were already HD...

Xhonzi


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