Highly unlikely. They'll lose a decent chunk of change on every 360 sold and will take every opportunity to recoup money by selling accessories just like every game company.

Cant you think of it this way: "I can still play any Xbox game I want. All I need is to come up with the price of a cup of coffee at starbux." (of course given my scenario)

IF they allow you to play ANY xbox game with a downloaded patch then who cares? It *IS* fully backwards compatable.

Your line of thinking should be-- What Xbox games do I REALLY like? What games do I play now, or WANT to play? honestly, how many games can that be? I wouldnt get caught up in a bunch of 'what ifs' as if you have 100 titles you suddenly remember you want to try out.

If the Xbox360 releases for $299 think of it as a savings, like, IF they included ALL titles to be backwards compatable, they would have to include another $75 for Nvidia royalties. Boom! Youre saving $75!

There's no way in hell they'll charge $2 a pop to play a game backwards compatabile. Ferris is just making it up.

ok ok 50 cents. Still who cares. If you have 10 games outside the basic supported popular titles then you can pick and play them whenever you like.

They'll be free of charge, I'm sure of it.

Again, it's just the principle of the issue for me. The other systems will offer full backwards compatibilty out of the box for free, which is simply better and more convenient than your MS scenario. And in reality they are offering more than that as they go back 2 generation on the PS3 and 4 generation worth of games on the Revolution.

Factor in that MS has a hell of a lot of work to do to get the 360 to be the 1 console I buy next gen as the X-box got far and away the least play time of the 3 consoles this gen, and it drastically lowers my chances of going with the 360 next gen.


I know I was just arguing his point for the hell of it. Slow day at work. Network is down (just the in office stuff) so I can't get to the share drive to get the files I need.

lol Id be willing to pay $10-15 each to play backwards compatable games. There probably isnt any that Id want to play though

Microsoft won't charge for BC when Sony and Nintendo will give it away for free. That's just a given with the competitive nature of the marketplace, atm.

From the video interview in the links section, J Allard said over 90% of the current xbox games are single layered discs. According to the analysts, that's going to make the emulation eaiser to work with and probably quicker to complete.

Will the "vast majority" of the Xbox library be emulated at launch? I doubt it, nor do I expect it. 90% of 600+ titles would be pointless and unneccesary, especially with all the old sports games and poorly rated games out there.

We should expect the top rated games and first party games to be in the emulated list at launch. Just go to Gamerankings.com and look at the top 100 rated Xbox games. That's a good estimation of what we will see.

I definitely don't think they'll charge but you will need an internet connection to get the regular updates. Btw I'm 20 hrs into Jade Empire and its awesome (better than KOTOR). Hope they make JE2 a 360 exclusive .

Based on the following quote in an article from IGN, where Nintendo officially showed the Revolution to the Japanese press I see a PS3 in your future Josh.
Also the fact that you already state that the Xbox had a limited playing time out of the 3 for you. Should be interesting to see the amount that Nintendo would charge.




""Regarding the system's backwards compatibility features, Iwata refered to this part of the Revolution as a "Virtual Console." From a technical standpoint, all NES, Super NES and N64 games can work with the system, although it's unclear if every game in Nintendo's tremendous back catalogue will be available.

There's some disappointing news for those expecting these classics to be available for free. Nintendo is planning on pay downloads as being the standard for this download system. There will be many types of services, though, including limited time free downloads. One possibility mentioned by Iwata is free downloads as bonuses for buying new games.""

He meant that it cost $0 to make old games work on the new consoles from Sony and Nintendo and doesn't like the fact that he might have to pay to get old Xbox games he already owns to work on the 360. You are paying for the game in Nintendo's case, not paying for the ability to play the game.

By free, full, free backwards compatibility out of the box by the competions, I was simply referring to the PS2/PS1 games and the GC games.

Classic games are just icing on the cake and I can't hold that against MS as they can only go back one generation. If they offered full, free backwards compatibility out of the box I'd consider them more or less equal to the competitoin in that regard, as they'd have done all they possibly could in that area.

Seems as if you played the PS2 or Gamecube games the most this generation. Great. Both the PS3 and Revolution platforms seem to have the backward compatibility you are looking for. Great. You've indicated that you are not in a position financially as well as time-wise to buy all three of the next generation consoles. Why are you even bothering with the 360?

Here's another thing:
The Xbox games you have were the "least" played, yet you insist that the 360 have full backwards compatibility...so that you can do what? Play them the least of all for the next generation?
Let's make a wild assumption that the 360 was indeed supporting full backwards compatibility. Would you play these Xbox games more all of a sudden?

Its a matter of principle. Its an illusion of saving the most money by creating perceived value. Even if its not a feature you'd use, some people sleep better at night knowing they have the best value. (kind of reminds me of those cars who have wipers on their headlights lol) I have a feeling Mr Hinkle has one or two Xbox games he really likes or is looking forward to. I myself have had bouts of guilt splurging lots of $$ into a system for only a few games (but I get over it)

There were fewer games on the X-box I liked compared to the other two, but the games I liked on it I REALLY liked.

I still play KOTOR and Halo a good deal, and I'm waiting on price drops for KOTOR II, Halo2 and Jade Empire, just to mention a few.

So at the very least I'd like the ability to replay those (and to catch up on ones I missed) on the 360 if I were to buy one.


I'm being much more critical of every system going into next gen, as I want to be sure that I'm 100% satified with the one I purchase, since as I said above, I'm not buying more than one next go around.

I can tell you right now, because of the dilemma you are facing from the scenario you described of being in, you will never be "100%" satisfied with any of the next generation consoles. You're setting yourself up for disappoint.

That's definitely true for some, even for me any many instances. I'm very thrifty (aka a tightwad ) and feel guilty if I don't feel I got 100% of value for my money. Especially now living pretty much paycheck to paycheck and going in student loan debt to scrape by.

But in this case I do use backwards compatibiliy a good bit. I still play some PS1 games on the PS2 and play my SNES a ton.

Actually the only thing I'm expecting to be dissapointed in is in having to miss great games on which ever 2 consoles I don't own.

Both Sony and Nintendo's backward compatibility satisfies me completely, especially Nintendos (even if the classic games aren't free).

Josh: it looks like the 360 has no chance to sway you next generation. That's cool man. We all have our certain selections. Sadly I feel the same way about the Nintendo machine (if it turns out there will be no HD). No biggie, don't beat yourself up about it by studying the 360 specs and news, it looks like a waste of time.

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Try to not be constantly negative, say your peace in the appropriate thread but there's no need to repeat it over and over again. I'm not saying you shouldn't post your honest opinion, but posting it 100X will grate on people's nerves.
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http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=419878

Hey now!

I respect Josh's opinion and I think he's making some good points on the shortcomings of the 360, but it really looks like it stands no chance of being picked up by him. I'm not saying he can't post what he wants, I'm just saying, why bother? Some people will enjoy the 360, live, etc, others will enjoy the Revo + downloadable games, etc. It's all cool and the gang, competition is good and differences make the world go around.



Now someone start a compendium on the Revo. I'm looking at you Hinkle.

I actually think Jeff volunteered his services. I'm still not sure if there is enough info out there to warrant a Revo post, but there sure is enough discussion.

Back on topic...

It was mentioned that dual layer games would need an additional patch. Anyone have a list of games which were dual layer?

Maybe they could both work on it, it's a big undertaking

I googled for dual layer games, couldn't find anything. It has to be a pretty small majority, offhand I can't think of one game that would need it.

I don't have time for putting together a thread.

And I don't mean to post things repeatedly, but people on this board have to question and attack opinions differing from there own, so a simple post of an opinion turns into a discussion more often than not.

But honestly, I just like discussing all game consoles and the industry in general, even the consoles I don't play much, or the forthcoming ones that don't have much chance of a purchase from me.

People that don't like my take on things should take advantage of the handy ignore user feature. I find the forum much more enjoyable after blocking those that irk me.

probably Morrowind is a big enough game for dual layer?