Shooting somebody and knowing theres a guy in a living room somewhere cussing his ass off at you....

You console guys that wont even give it a shot dont know what youre missing. Its one thing if you cant afford it but to dismiss it as not your thing without ever trying it is pretty lame.

Ok, so in that stand, I call those games 3PA cause well they are 3rd person Adventures.

the main point, collecting stuff is secondary to the main goal, save princess or defeat big bad boss.

so maybe we can call those "KBB" kill big boss cause hey, collecting all that crap is secondary right? your main focus is killing them right? collecting stuff is just a process to getting to that point.

you need steps, yes, but your making it seem very difficult compared to how easy it is to play. then again.. once I get the game installed All I have to do is click on the icon to start playing the game instead of;

Turn your tv on, change the channel to the number your console tells you to, turn up the volume, Plug your a console into the wall, plug your TV in's and find out you need an adaptor, turn it on, wait for the logo to loud, plug in the controller, press the button to open the system, go to the rack and get the game, open the case to the game, remove game from disc holder, place it into console, wait intill long intro comes on, press start, play game. try saving game only to find out you skipped plugging in a memory card and are screwed.

(I'm making long steps to show you how you made long steps for PC when they really aren't long)

You install a game. you don't need it anymore. it's saved on your computer. plain and simple in a sense.and please, you realize if your buying a game for your pc and if your system can handle it before you buy it.. or else that would be like buying an xbox game when all you have is PSX.

Most PC games I've played lately still require you to have the game cd in your drive to play. As for your second point, games that don't work rarely have to do with meeting the minimum specs required for the game. The problem is that the developers have trouble ensuring that a game will work on all concievable PC setups. I've got a decent PC with a GeForce 3 but I've had several games that refused to work intitially. Usually, that's fixed with a patch but it's still annoying to spend fifty dollars only to find that the game doesn't work at the moment. Somehow, the thought that it will eventually work once the developers release a patch isn't all that reassuring when you want to play the game you just bought, now! I still enjoy PC gaming but compatibility problems really try my patience and make me appreciate the plug and play aspect of console games.

Plug and play comes with a price though.
and the patch system that companies go through has its benefits, fix problems, add new stuff, levels, skins, weapons. the works.

You might want to look into your whole set up if you want to better fit your PC game needs.

You must have a very fast computer if you can install a large game in 2-3 minutes. It's usually 10-30 minutes for me.

Did you ever try playing Pool of Radiance? Was your hard drive erased? Or, were you one on the people having problems with their GeForce4 and Neverwinter Nights?

You never turn your computer off? You never format your hard drive and reinstall Windows? You never download patches?

Does your computer start up faster than my TV?


My computer is way above the minimum requirements for all of the PC games that have been released, but have you ever tried running a game on a PC that just me the minimum requirements? My PC is hovering at the recommended requirements, but even those are way too underestimated.

Neverwinter Nights had a patch available before the game hit the stores.

I've been a big PC gamer. I went to lan parties at least once a month. I know the joys and agonies of PC gaming. At least one person at every lan party would need their computer fixed.

All I'm saying is for me, at this time in the gaming continuum, console gaming is where it's at.

I really do enjoy PC games, but more and more I find myself thinking about and playing console games. There are games that I can't even imagine being done well on consoles like RTS games and Neverwinter Nights.

In fact I'm going to a lan party tonight, but this will be the first time I won't be bringing my PC. I'm bringing my Xbox. I'll be playing while people are setting up or trying to fix their computer or install a game.

It's sad. I can't believe I wrote this. Last year I would never have imagined I could write anything like this, but times have changed and I'm fed up. Maybe I'll go back to PC gaming someday, but not for the foreseeable future.

Sure, there are benefits to new content that's free to download. I don't know if that is much consolation when I can't get a game to work that I spent good money on. Unfortunately, it's the nature of the beast with PCs. There is very little standardization which can be a big benefit but can also be it's achilles heel. As long as there are unlimited hardware configurations, there will always be incompatabilities. Most PC gamers (including me) are willing to live with the problems. Some aren't and they're the ones who will only play consoles.

Like I said, my computer is well above the minimum requirements for todays games. It seems to me that a GeForce 3 Ti 500 ought to be able to run any game that's currently released. The problem is with all the different driver versions and patches. If you've managed to have every PC game you ever bought run perfectly on the first try, then congratulations, you should consider yourself lucky.

When my computer gets outdated, I'm into console games. When I get a new computer, I'm into PC games and console games. This has always been the cycle for me. I'll always love and have console games, but there have been many years where my PC was too outdated to play current games, and I couldn't afford to upgrade. I'm in that cycle now actually. My PC is hideously old, so all I have is console games. And I don't really feel like a computer upgrade is necessary right now. PC games are getting kind of repetitive for me. Look, another clone FPS, another clone RTS, etc. The genres that do have some kind of innovation do perk some interest in me, but overall, it's the same old stuff.

all these people bitching about pcs need to zip it, its not just a damn console, its multipurpose and therefore much more complicated, and therefore more likely to error

dude with the xbox, dont you get that dirty disk crap, that sounds like a pc problem

i hear you have to delete your hard drive or somethign to get morrowind to work, ooh fun fun!

Zip it, huh? That's your answer to those of us who aren't willing to proclaim the PC to be the ultimate gaming platform? I guess if we don't agree with you we should just stop posting here. I guess I missed when this became the Spaceman Spiff forum. Like I said before, I like PC gaming and I like console gaming. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. Sorry if you disagree.

I seem to be in the same boat as Tamrok. I luckily have not had the error in Morrowind that many others have, but what can you expect from a PC port riddled with bugs. At least it's playable. And, I guess you know something about the Xbox because that's the first time I've ever heard of deleting the hard drive to make a game work.

I'm just saying I could spend $600 upgrading my PC to get Morrowind to work or I could buy an Xbox, Morrowind and 7 other games.

I use my PC for video and audio editing, browsing the internet, office applications, etc...things it does well that no console could or would want to.

I have been able to get every computer game I ever bought to run perfectly the first try. I guess I am lucky. but heres a simple thing for driver problems.
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp

Keep windows updated make sure your drivers are up to scale. know your system. it's not to hard. I can't imagen how many people really don't update at all. it's fairly simple.

hmm, that has a nice ring to it though

i give that idea a

thanks dude

Yeah, I already keep my drivers updated. I'm constantly tinkering with my drivers to get the best performance. I'm well aware of how the system works. The point is that there is more work involved with playing PC games than there is with consoles. You are required to stay on top of the latest drivers and OS updates and patches for games. As for never having problems, that's great but I think you're in the minority on that one. I can usually run 3 out of 4 new games out of the box without a hitch but it's that last game that doesn't work that sticks with you. That's when I appreciate console gaming.

Now, if you can just convince the mods, you'll be well on your way! Best of luck...

Emulation? Good luck on emulating consoles of the same generation.

Other than strategy and real-time strategy games, PC doesn't really have anything exclusive to its own platform.

Consoles, on the other hand, have many games exclusive to their own platform.

Uhhh... okay.

Guess your new to the internet. Emulation is every were. do you want to play any classic Nintendo game?

How about a dreamcast game.. better yet, I wont since we aren't suppose to talk about this stuff on the forum.. let me put it to you. Emulators are everywhere on the net. you can play anything your hearts desire from any console pretty much if you just look around.

Err, my statement was retarded. What I should have said is that since Tomb Raider, Zelda and the like have generally NOT been referred to as adventure games, they're action RPG's. Somehow the TR-like genre, which as Jack said is kind of a 3rd person shooter, has for the most part co-opted the title.

You can't make your own games on a console, something which has always bothered me. Plus the save game feature on consoles is still pretty poor....but truly, how can you only live with one game system, pc and a console...the best of both worlds.

did somebody just say that pc games arent as exclusive as console games are, hahaha

even console games are starting to come to the pc dude, nothing is as exclusive as it was, back in the day, developers need more money so therefore, its called crossplatform

Pools of Radiance played fine for my out of the box. and this was with my geforce 2 gts card. now I have a geforce 4 Ti4600.

I guess it depends I do like console games since I did buy my PS2;however, the PC is still my primary gaming platform.

I hear of problems some people have playing PC games and never have had that problem myself. I check the specs and make sure i have the recommended specs not the minimum specs.

I always check for updates right away before playing. then I play.

I guess I am lucky or maybe since i build my own computers and am very careful when i pick parts to get high quality parts and Motherboards this might help me.

I specifically said consoles of the same generation. Of course our computers now can run SNES, NES, Genesis, GBA, GB games perfectly. Even Bleem wasn't perfect when it was running. I don't even know if it is perfect now. Emulation isn't an easy thing to do.

Back to my PC and Console exclusive titles statement. Maybe you guys know something I don't. There's not many titles that I know on PC that are not coming to the console platform. Remember that I specifically said strategy/RTS titles (which don't work well on the console anyways). There's 2 titles I can think of right now which aren't the exact game but similar. MOH: Frontline vs. MOH: Allied Assault and Unreal Championship vs. Unreal Tournamant 2003. And then of course, the PC has all of the MMORPG titles, which of course the consoles have no use of until online support comes.

But if we reverse it, you could come up with like 30 titles in less than a minute. The PS2 is even getting The Sims.

Well, my PC is pretty outdated, but it runs Warcraft 3, which offers a really great, free online experience.