Star Trek: Picard (S2E10) -- Season Finale -- "Farewell" -- 5/5/22
 

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:lol: It's finally over, for all of those who hate this show.

Season 3, which will probably air in 2023, is the final season and has already been filmed. The Next Generation cast is returning.

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The only reason I'm not tapping out and skipping Season 3 entirely is TNG cast returning. But I'll still wait to see if the reviews are positive before committing to the whole season.

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Nobody believes you or Will Wheaton.

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I couldn’t sleep so I took a bullet for everyone here being the first one to watch it. I have to say that this episode was some of the dumbest, poorest written TV I’ve ever seen. Not only did most of it not make sense, it seemed like a whole bunch of disjointed nonsense that they just pulled out of their collective asses whenever they need it.

All I was doing was shouting, “Da Fuck?!?!” through the whole episode. I don’t know what I just watched but it certainly wasn’t Trek. This whole show was just a big middle finger to the fans. Well, once again, Fuck you Alex Kurtzman and Patrick Stewart. FUCK YOU!!!

The episode is out so I’m just going to spoil everything. It was so disjointed and there was so much going on I don’t even remember all of it. Let’s start from the end and work backwards:

Picard loves everybody!

Rios’ picture has been sitting in the bar all this time but Picard just never noticed.

The Borg are now a Federation member. :lol:

Q brings back Elenor, because, of course he does.

Juratti was taking over the fleet to protect them from a “galactic event” which just came out of the blue, conveniently, just that second.

Rios stays behind and becomes his great, great, great, great grandfather.

Picard gives Q a hug. (best part of the show :lol:)

Q loves Picard.

Wesley can’t get a date with a modern chick so he travels back 400years to pick up high school girls.

They can’t hack into an ancient computer system with their magic tricorders? I thought they’ve been doing that the whole series?

Gary Seven lady dies, but she tells Picard his pain has saved the universe.

There’s so many more gems like this in the episode, hopefully after I get some sleep I’ll forget them all.

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I can't argue with you. That was disappointing.

There were a million ways they could have gone bringing back Q. Of course it had to also tie in the Borg since the first time the Borg were encountered was when Q the Enterprise into their path. But we have already seen at least 5 different variations in different episodes of other Trek shows of the Borg using time travel to colonize Earth. And every one of them was told better than the way this season was.

Demystifying and de-fanging the Borg should never be done but after using them so many times they are now about as scary to us as a Ferengi.
And what was the point of even bringing back Guinan? Another wasted opportunity. It would have been amazing to learn more about her species or see her a real counterpoint to Q. We used to speculate that her species had Jedi-like powers...

Personally I blame Akiva Goldsman. I don't know why he was brought in but he has added nothing. Was there no show runner available who is an actual Star Trek fan?

Of course ill still watch Season 3! There is so much potential still there with old TNG cast coming back and we still have 7 of 9 and using Q's deus ex machine we got Elnor back

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Is the potential there though? The show is built on false nostalgia. Why should I believe that because the TNG cast is reuniting that it will be any better than the garbage the show has been thus far?

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Was why Q was dying even addressed?

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I think the finale was very predictable. I figured Rios was either going to stay in the past with doctor lady and son or take them with him to the future (so, it was option A - check). I thought Tallinn / Not-Laris might sacrifice herself to save Renee (check), Q was going to snap them back to the future (check), Queen Jurati was the Borg Queen in the first episode and now leads the "good" Borg (check). And I've been thinking for a few episodes that Seven and Raffi needed to kiss already (check). The only surprises were annoying man-child showing up as the traveler to take Kore / Not-Soji away and Dr. Adam Soong pulling out the Khan file.

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Parts that weren't clear at the end of this....

How could Rios stay behind without affecting the timeline?

Now that Jurati has been a Borg Queen for 400 years, does that mean that the other version of the Borg never existed? Therefore, there would be no Locuts, 7 of 9, Wolf 359, etc.

Does Maris stay with Picard or does she still leave?

I'm guessing Wesley and Soong's daughter factor into season 3, unless they're planning a separate series for them. It would seem fitting that Wesley will be in season 3 considering that this new season will have the entire crew munus Data back together again. I wouldn't be surprised if Denise Crosby makes and some type of appearance in season 3, perhaps as Sela. Who else from TNG's run could make a surprise appearance next season? Perhaps Michell Forbes' character. Maybe Sisko or Janeway.

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:lol: at the hate watching, I get it. It was far from the greatness of TNG. But I loved it.

And I did not expect the Wesley cameo, but I thought it worked.

I know I'm not the most discriminating viewer, and I may be way too easy on the writers, but I didn't mind this at all. It's not something I will rewatch over and over like TOS, TNG, DS( (and hopefully SNW), but it's still Trek to me.

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It was OK. Best part of it was Picard and Q's goodbye to each other. Otherwise, pretty average.

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It feels like they would have to be two factions of Borg for this to work.

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Project KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! LOL

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Jesus what a shit show. Glad it's over least we'll get to see the cast one last time.

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UK Dangerman Reviews this finale (his plot recap is hilarious):

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Not even K.H.A.N.

Maybe a nit too direct.

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It occurred to me that someone watching episodes 1-3. skipping episodes 4-9, then watch the pre-episode recap and episode 10 would probably enjoy this season more than someone who watched every episode of the season. That's how much pointless filler there was this season on this show (like the ICE stuff, the FBI guy, the big gala, Picard's short "coma", etc. - all just filler that lead nowhere).

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This whole season could have easily been a 2 parter, 3 at most.

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Maybe--even in the 'original' timeline--he had always traveled to 2024 and lived out the rest of his life in the past. His subsequent life and actions were already 'baked in' to the timeline, so to speak. Isn't that what Guinan implied by the photo?

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Yep and that's why Discovery sucks too a BIG part of it. The writers can't write add in they have to stretch a story out entire season. Doomed both Picard and Discovery. You can feel how fresh the new show is compared to both of those. It's easier to pretend you can write when you can keep it short and sweet.

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What’s happened to you all? What’s happened to your sense of wonder and adventure?


We just binged the last three episodes tonight and this was an amazing ride. This is the type of storytelling that can only come of having literal decades of stories to call upon and it made it so much better to have that history. Picard, finally starting to heal after decades of living with that trauma, Seven finally finding focus in her life and more scene stealing bat-shittery from Agnes Jurati.


And then, Wesley. After following Wil for so long on social media for so long and seeing his utter love for the franchise, to see him get a wonderful and proper send off was so beautiful.

I truly feel sorry for those of you that couldn’t enjoy this. I had so much fun with this season.

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For the past 10 weeks I wondered what the hell happened to Star Trek.

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It wasn't epic, or even great - but it was Treky enough to be fun.

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This is an amazing parody post.

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Quite serious, I assure you.
I have problems with Picard, the first season especially, but this second season was leaps and bounds better and tied in so many threads from Trek's history. Who would have thought we would ever see the Supervisors again, and then they tie in the Travelers with them.
And finding something on Europa? A place that Arthur C. Clarke himself told us to stay away from because of what's there?

They even explained why Picard's mom looked different in that first season TNG episode and in the process made that episode even better.


I enjoyed this and I'm definitely looking forward to a season 3.

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It's like the writers/producers thought "What else can we do to really annoy the fans in the season finale? Let's put Wil Wheaton in there!"

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I truly feel sorry for your delusion for fuck sake. Oh look boys and girls Wesley who looks like he just walked in from a visit to wal mart.....give me a fucking break.

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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...et-1235140271/

This article confirms pretty much what we already knew- the reason why Picard is so terrible can be laid solely at the feet of Patrick Stewart. Picard is his vanity project where he admits to working out his own mental health issues, where essentially he’s just playing himself now.

This confirms that season 3 will be shit as well.

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Said it for years..Q and Picard..one of the great Trek Bromances :lol::up:

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So the Q aren't immortal after all? And just no explanation given? Maybe Picard might want to look into that as something might be going wrong with the universe.

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Do you seriously think Picard didn't have mental health issues? And I don't just mean being assimilated by the Borg or tortured by the Cardassians, dude had serious attachment problems, issues dealing with kids and a general case of stick-up-the-butt-itis. And then the scene where he gets inside the head of Agent Wells was pure Picard. Not solving something with his fists, but mentally out-flanking his opponent.

While I too long for the days of starship based, planet of the week adventures (we'll start SNW this weekend), I also know there's a place for explorations of what comes after the big adventures, how do you deal with the mental fallout?

Also, forgot another thing: getting Seven a long overdue Starfleet commission was a great moment.

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Between "Project Khan" in this episode and mention of the Eugenics War in Strange New Worlds, it looks like Star Trek has retconned the rise of Khan from the 1990s to sometime in the 21st Century.

The only part of this episode that I liked was Q's goodbye...which was emotional certainly, but didn't feel "earned" because of how bad this season has been.

Finally, I don't think Q's "gift" was the return of Elnor. I think it will be the return of Data in Season 3. Just a thought.

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At this point, I'm hoping the gift is the cancellation of Season 3 before it airs.

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Count me as one who liked seeing Wesley again. (And I never understood the hate for Wesley back in the day--I'm the same age as Wheaton so he was my 'avatar' in the ST universe.) Sure, his role in this episode could have been handled better, but it still made me smile and there may have been circumstances beyond my knowledge that limited Wheaton's time on set.
And while I agree that this season was not great overall, I did quite enjoy the finale. I admit I may be too forgiving of this series because I really want to like some new Trek and Discovery has been so disappointing lately.

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There was a Deep Space Nine episode, pretty sure it was one that focused on Dr. Bashir for reasons I won't get into, that attempted to push the Eugenics Wars into the 21st or 22nd century. It was just a single of line dialog that was along the lines of "Two hundred years ago..." when, in fact, the Eugenics Wars would have been four hundred years ago at that point.

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I’ll grant you that Picard has some definite issues, and I even think that aspect of his character could have lent itself to being explored. I don’t think we needed two full seasons of essentially that.

Also no matter what the story being told was it wasn’t told in a way that was good, and was hardly even coherent. The show just has many, many problems.

The thing is too they acknowledged the problems of season one and made it out like season two would fix things. So if this is the best they can do… yikes.

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After the scene with Raffi and Seven a few scenes before I thought instead of a hug there was going to be passionate kiss between them. Really nothing would have surprised me at that point.

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“Dammit, Wesley.” :lol:

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So, what could have been a deep, serious character study into the tortured mind of Picard becomes another muddled time travel/multiverse story with zero consequences. Yawn. Strange New Worlds seems to be off to a really good start, but so did both seasons of Picard. I'll let you make your own decision there.

The reason people liked the movie Logan (aka Old Man Logan) was because it took chances with the characters, showed their flaws, how they've grown with them, and showed their vulnerabilities. This could have been like that, time travel/multiverse and all. If Patrick Stewart had and influence over the story in this he either never realized that or just didn't care. It's not like they didn't try, they just didn't try very hard, due to such sloppy, sloppy writing. The guy who arrested Picard and Guinan might as well have said "OK, I'm just going to go away now" in his final scene. The way they handled Picard's childhood trauma was heavy handed and trite. The name Soong should have been cursed throughout the Federation to the point where Data would have been instantly deactivated if he ever showed up on Starfleet property. And speaking of, why does everyone's ancestor look exactly like them except for Picard?

Plus, I guaran-goddamn-tee you that picture of Rios was never in Ten Forward.