Originally Posted by PatD

Fair enough. That show indeed got better as it went along. However, I don't think the quality turnaround for Angel was quite as *massively* dramatic as it was for TNG.

Originally Posted by PatD

In fact, they call a moment in pop culture when the property get's better: RIKER'S BEARD (as the opposite of "Jump the Shark") : https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...er%27s%20Beard

Originally Posted by Mike86

It’s been a good TNG discussion thread though. If you want it deleted perhaps move the posts to the other Star Trek thread I made a while back.

https://forum.dvdtalk.com/tv-talk/65...=#post13785513

Originally Posted by Count Dooku

This going to sound like complete bullshit after Sherm's post, but it is the god's honest truth: My mom's cousin's daughter is in that photo above.

Originally Posted by tanman

So....who is it? Gates?

Originally Posted by Count Dooku

I'm not related to Bing Crosby and I am not British.

Originally Posted by Count Dooku

Thanks. If you think I'm too eager to be in a debate, you wouldn't be the first person to think that and you'd probably be right. I love talking about Star Trek and find this particular subject fascinating.
I envy you meeting the cast. I haven't even ever met "my cousin" Gates.

Considering what your family did for you, you might find it interesting that despite the fact that I was very openly a huge Star Trek fan, my mother waited until TNG was off TV for about 10 years before she casually dropped into conversation one day, "Y'know, you have a relative that was on a Star Trek show."

Originally Posted by Count Dooku

Let's be honest. The Enterprise was only able to defeat the Borg because the Borg assimilated Picard, then the Enterprise rescued Picard, and then Data is on hand with his completely unique ability to connect to Picard and access the Borg subspace network.
Riker deserves credit for his bold tactics rescuing Picard, but it wouldn't have mattered if Data hadn't been there.

Originally Posted by milo bloom

While I accept that Darmok is brilliant, that last part about Gilgamesh never clicked with me as it was one mythology that never really came up in my schooling. I learned about plenty of others, just not that.

Anyways, was bored yesterday and pulled up some Trek on Netflix, was looking for the episode where Q becomes human but found Peak Performance instead and watched that. I know we've talked before about how TNG didn't seem to be as serialized as later TV shows or even something like DS9, but watching the episode now, I can see there was a lot more going on. First, they outright state they don't like acting like the military, but they know the Borg are going to be a problem (this is after Q-Who) so they need to sharpen their skills. Then the Starfleet observer is constantly trashing Riker and it plays into the whole thing about Riker passing up his own command to be the Enterprise XO (where ends up staying for 15 years), then we see Wes and Geordi come up with an unorthodox plan under Riker's command, which again ties into how they resolved Best of Both Worlds part 2..

I think there was a lot more going on to tie together ongoing stories than we initially realized, and we should be better aware of that.


And also, midi-chlorians don't explain the magic, they just tell us one way of identifying the magic. Same thing as when Trek would talk about brain chemical levels in a telepath character.

Originally Posted by tanman

I can't believe your mom didn't even tell you until then. That must have been quite a shock. You ever get anything out of it? An autograph or a conversation or something?

Originally Posted by tanman

To offer a counterpoint we don't know if the initial plan with overloading the deflector dish would have worked if they hadn't captured Picard and learned about their plan. But yes Data's unique abilities have come in handy on numerous occasions. No wonder starfleet wanted a Data on every ship.

Originally Posted by milo bloom

Yeah, I myself had called for more shows to have ongoing story arcs in the past, but I'm beginning to come around, especially on shows like Trek. I think what we really wanted all along was *character* growth but in "monster of the week" style episodes, with the occasional over-arcing story being touched on from time to time.
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Originally Posted by Count Dooku

Yeah, if you stop to think about how often Data saves the Enterprise, it will make you wonder how any of the other Star Fleet ships manage to stay in one piece very long.

Originally Posted by Count Dooku

One of the best things TNG did was making Worf's complicated relationship to the Klingon Empire an ongoing element of the series that they could come back to every so often, and it added depth to Worf as a character.

Originally Posted by urrutiap

Watched Best of Both Worlds 1 and it felt like a series finale goodbye episode.

Originally Posted by Jay G.

There was the rumor that Patrick Stewart was leaving the show, and they were going to kill off Picard. If you look at the episode, it does open a window for Riker to step up as Captain. So it was either a contingency plan, or possibly a negotiating tactic with Stewart, i.e. "we can just kill you off and have someone else be captain."
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/ques...nd-of-season-3

Originally Posted by Jay G.

It ends on a cliffhanger. If that had been the last episode of the show that would've suuuuucked.

There was the rumor that Patrick Stewart was leaving the show, and they were going to kill off Picard. If you look at the episode, it does open a window for Riker to step up as Captain. So it was either a contingency plan, or possibly a negotiating tactic with Stewart, i.e. "we can just kill you off and have someone else be captain."
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/ques...nd-of-season-3

Originally Posted by urrutiap

yes I am aware of part 1 of Best of Both Worlds ending on a "cliffhanger" what will happen next thing. Youre not listening.

Picard his personality changed because of his mind meld with Sarek, plus the thing with Riker being offered the Melbourne those things made the episode feel like a series finale goodbye. Thats all

Originally Posted by Count Dooku

I'm not sure what to make of your post, since the information in the link does not make it sound like The Best of Both Worlds at the end of Season 3 was connected to a dust up with Stewart during Season 2.