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James T. Kirk , 02-21-18 02:11 PM
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I hear the new version of MacGyver's shit. I doubt this'll be any better.
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I don't watch alot of procedurals (actually none) so I will have to take your word for it, but that type of laziness would not surprise me.Originally Posted by leacha
I don't know about Hokeyboy but I laughed because Navy Seal is the new Hollywood thing. There's probably more Navy Seal characters in HW now than in real life.
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Is there another reason why you are laughing? Or did you simply not know that?
Originally Posted by DVD Josh
You do realize that in the TV series, Magnum was a former Navy SEAL and Naval Intelligence agent, right?Is there another reason why you are laughing? Or did you simply not know that?
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Originally Posted by leacha
I don't know about Hokeyboy but I laughed because Navy Seal is the new Hollywood thing. There's probably more Navy Seal characters in HW now than in real life.
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The "former Navy SEAL" trope is a laughably bad and hilariously overused cliche at this point. This is Hack Character Development 101. Especially when they cast a slim, prettyboy model type in the role.Originally Posted by DVD Josh
I don't watch alot of procedurals (actually none) so I will have to take your word for it, but that type of laziness would not surprise me.
Also: Jay Hernandez as a former Navy SEAL

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The Infidel , 02-21-18 03:15 PM
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I'll at least watch an episode before judging the new Tomas Magnez.
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Also: Jay Hernandez as a former Navy SEAL
Got it. I agree with you, it's very lazy. But then again, so are all remakes.Originally Posted by Hokeyboy
The "former Navy SEAL" trope is a laughably bad and hilariously overused cliche at this point. This is Hack Character Development 101. Especially when they cast a slim, prettyboy model type in the role.Also: Jay Hernandez as a former Navy SEAL
Funny thing is even as El Diablo he still didn't look all that buff.
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James T. Kirk , 02-21-18 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by The Infidel
I'll at least watch an episode before judging the new Tomas Magnez.

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Funny thing is even as El Diablo he still didn't look all that buff.
Was John Carpenter's The Thing lazy?Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Got it. I agree with you, it's very lazy. But then again, so are all remakes.Funny thing is even as El Diablo he still didn't look all that buff.
Was Brian De Palma's Scarface lazy?
Was Martin Scorsese's The Departed lazy?
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Was John Carpenter's The Thing lazy?
Was Brian De Palma's Scarface lazy?
Was Martin Scorsese's The Departed lazy?
Those are movies. If you didn't notice (and you are new here trying to get a huge post count quickly by posting in every thread you see, so maybe not, if you aren't a returning banned member or an alt), this is the TV forum.Originally Posted by James T. Kirk
Was John Carpenter's The Thing lazy?
Was Brian De Palma's Scarface lazy?
Was Martin Scorsese's The Departed lazy?
And also, maybe learn your movie history, but The Thing from 2011 wasn't a remake but a prequel. Also, Scarface is just a terrible comparison as its a complete update on the original 1932 version. Have you ever watched the film, or are you just stuck on the "Worlds Is Yours" marquee? The Departed is inspired by Infernal Affairs, but that is a pure hard boiled Chinese action cop film and The Departed adds character arcs and a romance angle. And more.
But yes, remakes are generally lazy, and the fact that you can only name even three potential outliers (really two) doesn't change the point.
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James T. Kirk , 02-21-18 04:04 PM
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And also, maybe learn your movie history, but The Thing from 2011 wasn't a remake but a prequel. Also, Scarface is just a terrible comparison as its a complete update on the original 1932 version. Have you ever watched the film, or are you just stuck on the "Worlds Is Yours" marquee? The Departed is inspired by Infernal Affairs, but that is a pure hard boiled Chinese action cop film and The Departed adds character arcs and a romance angle. And more.
But yes, remakes are generally lazy, and the fact that you can only name even three potential outliers (really two) doesn't change the point.
Who the fuck mentioned the 2011 The Thing?! I SAID JOHN CARPENTER's The Thing!Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Those are movies. If you didn't notice (and you are new here trying to get a huge post count quickly by posting in every thread you see, so maybe not, if you aren't a returning banned member or an alt), this is the TV forum.And also, maybe learn your movie history, but The Thing from 2011 wasn't a remake but a prequel. Also, Scarface is just a terrible comparison as its a complete update on the original 1932 version. Have you ever watched the film, or are you just stuck on the "Worlds Is Yours" marquee? The Departed is inspired by Infernal Affairs, but that is a pure hard boiled Chinese action cop film and The Departed adds character arcs and a romance angle. And more.
But yes, remakes are generally lazy, and the fact that you can only name even three potential outliers (really two) doesn't change the point.
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Then you are still wrong, as it's not a remake but an adaptation of a novella.Originally Posted by James T. Kirk
Who the fuck mentioned the 2011 The Thing?! I SAID JOHN CARPENTER's The Thing!
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James T. Kirk , 02-21-18 04:11 PM
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Answer my question! What the fuck made you think I was talking about the 2011 The Thing?!Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Then you are still wrong, as it's not a remake but an adaptation of a novella.
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Probably all of the excessive fucks.Originally Posted by James T. Kirk
Answer my question! What the fuck made you think I was talking about the 2011 The Thing?!
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James T. Kirk , 02-21-18 04:20 PM
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What a stupid fucking response! I specifically SAID the JOHN CARPENTER version! The one from 198fucking2! And you think I mean the 2011 movie! And you wanna criticise my fucking film knowledge! Ignore listed!Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Probably all of the excessive fucks.
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Jay Hernandez is cool, but I think it was Tom Selleck that made the series what it was. I don't think that Magnum PI was this great formula that an be repeated just by recasting.
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Infernal Affairs is a lot of things, but calling it an "action cop film" is really doing it a disservice. It's much more drama than action. And has infinite more nuance and shadow than Scorsese's remake, which while a good movie loses much of the original's more complex characterizations.Originally Posted by DVD Josh
The Departed is inspired by Infernal Affairs, but that is a pure hard boiled Chinese action cop film and The Departed adds character arcs and a romance angle. And more.
Also Kirk needs to chill.
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Spottedfeather has returned!Originally Posted by James T. Kirk
What a stupid fucking response! I specifically SAID the JOHN CARPENTER version! The one from 198fucking2! And you think I mean the 2011 movie! And you wanna criticise my fucking film knowledge! Ignore listed!
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Man, I love the word "fuck" but you REALLY love the word "fuck." I am going to ask the mods if they can change your username to "James T. Fucking Kirk." Would you like that? And maybe a hug?Originally Posted by James T. Kirk
What a stupid fucking response! I specifically SAID the JOHN CARPENTER version! The one from 198fucking2! And you think I mean the 2011 movie! And you wanna criticise my fucking film knowledge! Ignore listed!
As for putting me on ignore:
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I heard that Jay Hernandez was gonna be the new Indiana Jones. Do you think this casting will prevent that?
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Also Kirk needs to chill.
But I didn't call it that my friend. I said it was a "hard boiled action cop film" with that specific connotation. I'm not sure I agree so much with your take on the characterizations, but if you want to say that Infernal Affairs is a better movie than the Departed, I'm not sure I would disagree with you per se. They are both very good films in their own rights.Originally Posted by Hokeyboy
Infernal Affairs is a lot of things, but calling it an "action cop film" is really doing it a disservice. It's much more drama than action. And has infinite more nuance and shadow than Scorsese's remake, which while a good movie loses much of the original's more complex characterizations.Also Kirk needs to chill.
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But yes, remakes are generally lazy, and the fact that you can only name even three potential outliers (really two) doesn't change the point.
I used to hate what I thought was the recent trend of Hollywood remaking everything, but then I found out that many of the films I enjoyed growing up were remakes.Originally Posted by DVD Josh
And also, maybe learn your movie history, but The Thing from 2011 wasn't a remake but a prequel. Also, Scarface is just a terrible comparison as its a complete update on the original 1932 version. Have you ever watched the film, or are you just stuck on the "Worlds Is Yours" marquee? The Departed is inspired by Infernal Affairs, but that is a pure hard boiled Chinese action cop film and The Departed adds character arcs and a romance angle. And more.But yes, remakes are generally lazy, and the fact that you can only name even three potential outliers (really two) doesn't change the point.
Dirty Rotten Scoundrels...had no idea that was a remake.
1982's The Thing, I believe, started out as a script based on the novella, and not necessarily wanting to do a remake.
Cronenberg's The Fly, while also being based on a story, was intended by the studio to be a remake. They even repeated the "help me...please help me" line.
Scarface and The Departed are remakes, no matter what.
I like Infernal Affairs, but I thought The Departed was slightly better in some ways. Both were excellent though.
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Dirty Rotten Scoundrels...had no idea that was a remake.
1982's The Thing, I believe, started out as a script based on the novella, and not necessarily wanting to do a remake.
Cronenberg's The Fly, while also being based on a story, was intended by the studio to be a remake. They even repeated the "help me...please help me" line.
Scarface and The Departed are remakes, no matter what.
I like Infernal Affairs, but I thought The Departed was slightly better in some ways. Both were excellent though.
These are good points. I think you would agree though that generally speaking, remakes fall short of the originals. The exception does seem to be if there is a substantial period of time between the movies and the remake takes ownership of the source material. Scarface is a great example of that, so is The Fly.Originally Posted by brayzie
I used to hate what I thought was the recent trend of Hollywood remaking everything, but then I found out that many of the films I enjoyed growing up were remakes.Dirty Rotten Scoundrels...had no idea that was a remake.
1982's The Thing, I believe, started out as a script based on the novella, and not necessarily wanting to do a remake.
Cronenberg's The Fly, while also being based on a story, was intended by the studio to be a remake. They even repeated the "help me...please help me" line.
Scarface and The Departed are remakes, no matter what.
I like Infernal Affairs, but I thought The Departed was slightly better in some ways. Both were excellent though.
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Since this thread took a slight tangent....I actually liked the prequel to The Thing. Watching it back to back with the 1982 version made it more interesting. I was hoping they would make another movie since they left it open.
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Me too, but I really wish that Universal didn't chicken out at the last minute and had all the practical effects replaced with CGI. Originally Posted by mrhan
Since this thread took a slight tangent....I actually liked the prequel to The Thing. Watching it back to back with the 1982 version made it more interesting. I was hoping they would make another movie since they left it open.
And yes, I don't consider Carpenter's 1982 version a remake of the 50's film, but rather a more faithful adaptation of the original story "Who Goes There?". Oh, and I LOVE Carpenter's version!
And holy fuck Jim, chill out dude!
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He posts more "Solid" than "Spotted"Originally Posted by Hokeyboy
Spottedfeather has returned!
