There was more than one accusation. Charisma Carpenter said that when she told Whedon she was pregnant, he got bad, called her fat, and asked her if she was going to keep it. Amber Benson and Michelle Trachtenberg corroborated Carpenter's allegations. On social media, Benson wrote: "Buffy was a toxic environment and it starts at the top. [Carpenter] is speaking truth". Trachtenberg wrote that "we know what he did" and alleged that his behavior toward her when she was a teenager was, "Very. Not. Appropriate." Trachtenberg later stated on social media that there was a rule on set preventing Whedon from being in a room alone with her. Buffy star Sarah Michelle Gellar also lent her support and distanced herself from Whedon. Jose Molina, a writer on Firefly, also spoke out against Whedon's behavior saying that "casually cruel" was a "perfect" description and that "He thought being mean was funny. Making female writers cry during a notes session was especially hysterical. He actually liked to boast about the time he made one writer cry twice in one meeting." Other Buffy and Angel costars voiced their support for the alleged victims including David Boreanaz, James Marsters, Anthony Stewart Head, Eliza Dushku, J. August Richards, and Amy Acker.

Gal Gadot stated that Whedon "threatened" her career during the reshoots, saying, "if I did something, he would make my career miserable and I just took care of it instead." Gadot went on to say that she was "shocked" by the way Whedon spoke to her, adding, "You're dizzy because you can't believe this was just said to you. And if he says it to me, then obviously he says it to many other people."

The evidence is that he was always a dick to certain people, and he got away with it for so long because he was successful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joss_W...ace_harassment

I have heard about and read all of those claims. Even if all fully true, while certainly making Joss out to be a jerk, it is not illegal nor IMO is it a reason to completely eliminate the guy from existence. What we have here is that Joss was a textbook "dick" boss at worst, maybe a hard ass for sometimes the right reasons at best boss. Just saying, legit sexual harassment findings or outright illegal activity are infinitely more serious than being mean. To me there is a huge difference.

If it was that bad, they could have boycotted the show, refused to work, etc. But they kept cashing the likely nice paychecks. Oh well, water past the bridge now. The original show remains one of my all time favorites.

He's not "eliminated from existence," but it's probably unsurprising that nobody wants to work with the guy who's now notoriously known to be difficult to work with.

Joss Whedon seems to be an asshole. People tend not to like dealing with assholes. This should not be such a shock to some people.

Right. It's not illegal to be a jerk. It's also not illegal to not hire jerks, or to call them out for being jerks.

Isn't someone using botox sort of the opposite of "aging gracefully"?

I'm just glad we've moved past that pesky Weinstein #metoo nonsense. It's just boys being boys. #lockerroomtalk

And if there’s one thing the guy who calls it the “Pound Me Too Movement “ takes serious it’s sexual harassment 🤣

I didn't even recognize Jewel Staite in Resident Alien. I had to look up who she was and was surprised to find out she used to be that girl next door cutie. Much pointier nose now.

Oh I take it very seriously.... if the person accused is convicted and there is enough evidence to remove reasonable doubt.

Cmon though - how that movement didnt have a PR person or whomever catch the "#" sing meaning "pound" is beyond me. Yes, its a meme at this point but its impossible not to laugh at the hash-tag relevancy.

A lot of people didnt. She looks bad to me. Not the Kaylie Frye I fell in love with years ago. Something is way off.

Organic movements like that don't have a "PR person" to "manage" it. Someone used that hashtag, and then someone else picked up on it and used it too, then more did the same... etc.

And anyone less than 50 years old, and plenty of people older than that, knew that #MeToo meant "hashtag Me Too," in order to utilize the hashtag-based metatag system built into Twitter. Only the extremely out-of-touch, and those deliberately misstating the tag, would say/write "pound me too."

A person doesn't have to be convicted of a crime to be considered a gross, abusive asshole nobody wants to work with anymore. When there's around a dozen people across various productions across multiple decades going, "yes, this guy is an abusive asshole," the preponderance of evidence means it okay to form an opinion on those actions and a personality that is more likely true than not (especially after Whedon's disastrous 2022 interview that did nothing to counter the accusations).

It's interesting how over the years many people have been fine with women like Sean Young got blacklisted in Hollywood for being "difficult," but when it happens to a powerful white guy, people jump up and say, "well hold on, there's no criminal conviction, so can we really judge?"
https://variety.com/2021/film/news/s...ty-1234935883/

It looks like she has had a lot of work done.

Sure

Y'all are comparing someone that was a teenager when Firefly was shot and her 43 year old self. Any one here look the same as when they were 19? Summer Glau is a whole year older than her.

I didn’t say anything about good or bad, just that Kaylie was the only cast member I couldn’t identify in the announcement video.

But it's probably because she was the same age as a college freshmen. Same for Summer. Neither of them look like they did in Firefly. Everyone else was an adult. Those two are going to change the most. I look much different from freshman year at college and it's been just a few years longer.

If people are fresh of a botox treatment or got new fillers, they look artifcial until everything sets. Nicole Kidman is a good example. Sometimes she looks like a robot and in the next movie or series, she looks perfectly fine.

Whats that supposed to mean? Oh wait, we disagree on various political topics so that means I can’t possibly be against legit sexual harassment.

Pretty rich stuff. 😂

They do and even after it sets in, they now have a different facial structure than before. It’s jarring, sometimes. It isn’t natural aging but if someone doesn’t care or doesnt see it then that’s OK too. Kidman also looks like she’s been dicked with quite a lot. Too bad, these women are naturally very good looking and now, well, whatever.

It means the words you are saying are so ridiculous I’ll just let them stand on their own.

Not like i’m going to debate a disingenuous person. I’m just going to point out your words. That’s all i need to do.

True that you don’t have to be committed of a crime to be an ass. Usually, if enough people experience ass-like behavior from someone they’ll share that info and word gets out. But again, being mean isn’t a crime nor particularly worrisome as it’s subjective and then you have to factor in how overly sensitive some people are. I think Joss paid for whatever he was alleged to have done though, right? This is also the day and age of accusations flying around like flies at a picnic. Just an accusation of wrong doing gets most guys on the "list" without much actual evidence of investigation. Thats sort of unfair, yes?

As for Sean Young and probably some others, once the data piles up that you are a hassle and not worth the trouble then that’s just how it works. It won’t always be fair but if your a director or a studio and have a choice of actors to select from, are you gonna pick the ones with the bad reputation and possibly the ones that will irritate the production? Nope, you wouldn’t.

A recent example is that Rachel Zegler. She just couldn’t keep her trap shut and is barely an adequate actress. Hence. No gigs. The lesson here is: be nice and be pleasant to work with. Goes for guys and gals. Shouldn’t be too hard.

Disingenuous = We disagree on things. That’s cool, sorry that’s the way it is. But insinuating that I support legit sexual harassment is pretty, well, uncalled for. But, you do you.

Like I said in the Buffy thread, I'm pretty sure, that Joss Whedon could have a comeback if he wanted to. No one will hire him to direct an Avengers movie, but writing and directing a show or a smaller movie shouldn't be impossible. I don't see him as canceled, I think he was sent away to cool off and think about is behavior, but as far as we know, he didn't abuse anyone, even Ray Fisher, who attacked him the most, didn't go into detail and while threating Gal Gadot's career he didn't do it to get sexual favors.
But I don't think Whedon should comeback with an old property. I didn't like The Nevers, but I'm sure, he has still good stories to tell.

I guess that depends on whether you think punishment is enough, or even the goal, or whether penitence and reformation are the goal. From what I've seen, Joss has come off as unapologetic about his actions, and hasn't given any indication he's changed his thoughts or ways. People are not going to hire someone if they think he's going to continue to act like an asshole, no matter what the "punishment" was.

I'm confused, do you think Joss properly atoned for his bad behavior, or do you think he did nothing wrong and has nothing to apologize for?

[QUOTE=MisterMike;14721679 As for Sean Young and probably some others, once the data piles up that you are a hassle and not worth the trouble then that’s just how it works.[/quote]
So you do think that what happened to Joss was fair, or at least "just how it works." Or does that only apply to women?

Honestly, your argument is muddled, you want Joss off the hook, while being fine with women continuing to be "cancelled," and you're twisting your reasoning to reach the outcome you desire.

There's more forms of abuse than just physical and sexual assault.

Perhaps he’s unapologetic because he really has no reason to apologize? None of us were there, of course, so without real evidence it’s just claims. Then you have the possibility of ganging up where staff that’s buddies with one another starts to feel like "yeah…he is mean" or whatever. It snowballs and what might have been a mostly harmless incident or situation turns into he’s the second coming of Satan. Notice I’m using the words possible and maybe here as we don’t really know.

Im not sure fully what to believe but from what I’ve read from a multitude of sources, there a lot of grey-area and he said, she said. I don’t think he did enough wrong to warrant the current state of his industry perception, no.

As for Sean Young, being blacklisted for being difficult ought to be an easy fix. Don’t be that way in the first place. No one abused her, they just avoided working with her due to numerous accounts of her being not worth the trouble. Are all those directors lying? I find that hard to believe. If you ran a studio or a business would you hire difficult people to work with? Probably not.

Yes, mental abuse is a real thing but the circumstances for that are quite specific, IMO. There is a such a thing as people needing to be able to take criticism, get yelled at sometimes, etc. While there are likely legit cases of true mental abuse in Hollywood, I suspect they are few and far between.

so worst fear confirmed, it's a prequel.

I've never been a fan of continuations in a different medium. A transition from TV to movie or the other way around is fine by me, but comics or novels are like non-existent to me and a move to animation isn't something I'm looking for. If it's any good I'll give it a try, but I don't hold my breath.