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Pointyskull 09-01-16 10:11 AM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 

Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 12887226)
[citation needed]

My guess: Hulk...

slop101 09-01-16 10:24 AM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 

Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 12887226)
[citation needed]

If you bother to read in all-caps, you do slow down and read more carefully than you would otherwise. That's why it's a difficult barrier. People would just rather skim.

bralph 09-01-16 10:26 AM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 

Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 12887226)
[citation needed]

Saw it on the Internet.

slop101 09-01-16 11:06 AM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 
Funny how people not willing to tackle Stranger Things on a deeper level are also content to pick apart it's criticism on a purely surface level like the font it's written in. :lol:

Jay G. 09-01-16 11:54 AM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12887250)
If you bother to read in all-caps, you do slow down and read more carefully than you would otherwise. That's why it's a difficult barrier. People would just rather skim.

I think Groucho was looking for evidence to back up this reasoning. There really isn't any. There's evidence that people read All Caps slower, but there's no evidence this affects comprehension in any way. Reading on a screen is already slower than reading on paper, but people don't make claims that reading on a screen leads to better comprehension.

http://www.graphics.com/article-old/how-people-read
https://www.mity.com.au/blog/writing...o-hard-to-read
https://www.microsoft.com/typography...cognition.aspx



Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12887300)
Funny how people not willing to tackle Stranger Things on a deeper level are also content to pick apart it's criticism on a purely surface level like the font it's written in. :lol:

First impressions matter. It's like if the spelling or grammar was deliberately horrible. Yes, people could still manage to read it, but would they want to?

All Caps is a symbol of bad manners or ignorance on the internet. It's used by "newbs" that don't understand the caps lock, and/or can't be bothered with "proper" letter casing.

That said, I don't think his analysis is that deep, it's just wordy.

slop101 09-01-16 12:18 PM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 

Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 12887348)
All Caps is a symbol of bad manners or ignorance on the internet. It's used by "newbs" that don't understand the caps lock, and/or can't be bothered with "proper" letter casing.

Again, you don't get it, so don't try to explain it.

*edit
He explains why he does it here, if you're willing to read it...


That said, I don't think his analysis is that deep, it's just wordy.
Just because you say that, it doesn't make it so. He deconstructs the show on a deeper thematic/narrative level than anything I've seen in this thread, revealing how the show pretty much falls apart on those levels.

He does point out that the show does get the logo right... that and the nostalgia-trigger might be all it needs, I guess.

Deftones 09-01-16 12:39 PM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12887209)
He has different reasons why he does that (he's actually wretten an article about it), least of which is "character", but one of them being when you read something in all-caps, you tend to read and understand what you read closer and more carefully.

You claim this....


Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12887369)
Again, you don't get it, so don't try to explain it.

*edit
He explains why he does it here, if you're willing to read it...

then you post a link to why the guy does it, but nothing that actually confirms what you are trying to argue. it's just one guy's explanation as to why he does it. you are waging a losing battle here.

fumanstan 09-01-16 12:48 PM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 
I tried to read some/most of the post, but other then hating the way it's written even with normal capitalization, the only thing I really agreed with was some of the "plotblocking" that was mentioned. I didn't have issues with a lot of complaints about character motivations and interactions, or the movie moments stuff.

I hardly feel the show "falls apart" after reading some of the points brought up.

But yeah, Film Critic Hulk's shtick was fun the first few articles when it was new, but it's been pretty silly since.

Jay G. 09-01-16 12:54 PM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12887369)
Just because you say that, it doesn't make it so.

The reverse is true too though. Just because he states something in his review, doesn't make it so. And just because you think his review is deep, doesn't make it so. It's all opinions, and I was stating mine.

I understand his ALL CAPS, bad grammar style is emblematic of the character he's pardodying/referencing, but that doesn't mean it's a good choice, or that people who are turned off by it and don't read his review are wrong to do so.

And, as Deftones pointed out, one of your claims (that all caps leads to better reading comprehension), isn't even mentioned in the article you cite.

Jay G. 09-01-16 01:03 PM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 
Just to address one of the many flaws in the review:

...it's a basic failure of understanding the moment and that moment's place in the show you've been making. Same goes for a later moment of "wait, he's really gonna jump off the rocks and commit suicide because he thinks that kid is going to slice his friend's throat? Where did the hell did this come from?" the answer: it was just a nakedly-overdramatic set up to have eleven save him with her powers.
The show actually sets this scenario pretty well. We know from a previous scene on the same cliff that one the police officers thought such a jump was survivable, and even repeated a rumor that someone had successfully done it. Hopper shuts him down with the truth, so that officer and us the audience know how deadly such a jump would be.

But the kids don't know that, and they may even have heard the rumor of the person that survived. So with the kids' limited knowledge and reasoning, neither the kid daring nor Mike might've thought it was certain suicide. But we the audience did. Which is what made the apparent jump so shocking, and Eleven's rescue so thrilling.

slop101 09-01-16 01:54 PM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 

Originally Posted by Deftones (Post 12887382)
You claim this....



then you post a link to why the guy does it, but nothing that actually confirms what you are trying to argue. it's just one guy's explanation as to why he does it. you are waging a losing battle here.

That was explained in another article he wrote - I just posted the one I could find the quickest, never claiming this was that. That was your own incorrect assumption.

Thrush 09-01-16 01:59 PM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12887459)
That was explained in another article he wrote - I just posted the one I could find the quickest, never claiming this was that. That was your own incorrect assumption.

So I take it that your this Hulk fellow?

Pointyskull 09-01-16 02:02 PM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 
Enough ALL CAP HULK talk.

I enjoyed watching the Fallon clips today (I don't watch his show) of the Stranger Things kids on his show from last night. The conversation about the 'kiss' was really funny and seemed genuine. They seemed like....kids. It was refreshing.

Funny Barb skit, too.

Didn't know the girl who played Eleven is a Brit...

slop101 09-01-16 02:05 PM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 

Originally Posted by Thrush (Post 12887467)
So I take it that your this Hulk fellow?

Lol, no. He's actually in the industry, a screen-writer and/or editor.

Bandoman 09-01-16 02:44 PM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 

Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 12887404)
Just to address one of the many flaws in the review:

The show actually sets this scenario pretty well. We know from a previous scene on the same cliff that one the police officers thought such a jump was survivable, and even repeated a rumor that someone had successfully done it. Hopper shuts him down with the truth, so that officer and us the audience know how deadly such a jump would be.

But the kids don't know that, and they may even have heard the rumor of the person that survived. So with the kids' limited knowledge and reasoning, neither the kid daring nor Mike might've thought it was certain suicide. But we the audience did. Which is what made the apparent jump so shocking, and Eleven's rescue so thrilling.


Not only that, but the place from which Mike jumped was a different spot from where Hopper and the other officer stood when they discussed the survivability of the jump - and it appeared the the spot from which Mike jumped was lower (although I'm not sure of that).

Jay G. 09-01-16 03:27 PM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 

Originally Posted by Bandoman (Post 12887504)
Not only that, but the place from which Mike jumped was a different spot from where Hopper and the other officer stood when they discussed the survivability of the jump - and it appeared the the spot from which Mike jumped was lower (although I'm not sure of that).

I think it's near the same spot. Here's some screencaps I found:

http://i.imgur.com/7n6MUaR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WVdzhXQ.jpg


http://www.springfieldspringfield.co...-2016&season=1

Mike is a little lower, like he's not standing on the boulder, but it's still pretty high up.

Deftones 09-01-16 05:41 PM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12887459)
That was explained in another article he wrote - I just posted the one I could find the quickest, never claiming this was that. That was your own incorrect assumption.

how is in an incorrect assumption? you claim some outlandish thing, then when asked to provide documentation of where you saw this, you link back to a guy who has an opinion on why it he writes in all caps, nothing more. you've provided no evidence to your claim other than some random guy and have repeatedly sidestepped and ignored people calling you on it. tell me again why i am wrong?

writer106 09-04-16 10:12 AM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 
I just finished the season last night. Really good show and cast.

resinrats 09-05-16 07:41 PM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 
Finished it. Meh. Was OK, nothing amazing like others think. Did find it funny how the house kept getting trashed and more trashed.

So we assume the air isn't as toxic as they said since the cop, mom and kid seem to breath just fine in it. And they had to walk all the way back to the lab to get out?

It does annoy me that they purposely left some questions unanswered not knowing there would be a season 2.

Troy Stiffler 09-05-16 10:30 PM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 
The Duff Brothers said they're going to 'take a James Cameron approach' for S2. I assume that means something much bigger is going to happen. Maybe some military intervention in the alt. universe? I'm looking forward to it.

GoldenJCJ 09-05-16 11:13 PM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 
Hopefully it means 80s Cameron filmmaking and not that Season 2 will be released in 2025.

resinrats 09-05-16 11:34 PM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 
If it is supposed to take place a year later, they better get filming so the kids don't grow too much.

The Questyen 09-06-16 12:27 AM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 

Originally Posted by resinrats (Post 12890049)

It does annoy me that they purposely left some questions unanswered not knowing there would be a season 2.

Leaving some questions unanswered just in case there is a season 2 is what happens with pretty much every tv show ever made.

asianxcore 09-06-16 01:26 AM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 
Binge watched this today after finishing Episode 2 months ago. I'm still surprised not much of this show was ruined for me as my friends are awful at not spoiling shows/films.

Really enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to see what's in store for Season 2 (like almost everyone here!)

james2025a 09-06-16 05:43 AM

Re: Stranger Things (Netflix) -- Season 1 Thread -- S: Winona Ryder
 
I tried reading that article all in caps and gave in before the end of the first sentence. I understand why he was doing it (a weak joke play on the fact he is called the Hulk ...ha....ha....hi-fucking-larious), but when I see something like that it just turns me off right away. Could I read it through? Sure. Would I enjoy reading it? Nope. I then read the article someone had placed in lower caps and realized my first instinct was correct. The show is fantastic. Is it perfect? Very little is. Does he make valid points? I would not say so. Just another bedroom critic that thinks he can look cool by throwing in an odd long word that anyone under the age of 14 might have a hard time comprehending.


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