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You're probably right. I read something this week about Joffrey being the one who gave the order, and was a little surprised and assumed I had remembered wrong.

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

I think you may be confusing things. Joffrey gave the order to have Bran murdered in his bed, which was a bit of a plot twist since I think most readers assumed that either Jaime or Cersei ordered him finished off. AFAIK, Joffrey had nothing to do with having Robert's bastards murdered.

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

Also:

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That was only in the book. The show never solved that mystery.

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He had more than that. He and Daario had pretty substantial screen time in episodes 1 and 4 as they were hunting down and ultimately assisting with the "rescue" of Dany from Vaes Dothrak. He had the scene you described in episode 5 and did not appear after that.

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Yeah, my recollection also. It is just too easy to get the books and the show confused in my head. Tyrion figures out the mystery...what...right before Joffrey's death?

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

Exactly.

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One thing that I find a major head-scratcher is why didn't Jon ask Melisandre to bring Rickon back to life before sending her off? Rickon's body was just as intact as Jon's was when he was brought back.

Even a scene in which Melisandre tried and failed to bring Rickon back (and then just chalked the failure up to the Lord of Light not needing him for some important role) would've made more sense than the topic not even being broached.

(The same goes for Wun Wun - he's the last of his kind, so why not try to bring him back?)

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

Why does the Targaryen succession order matter at this point? They have no claim on the throne anymore. They were overthrown and if another one takes the throne it will be a new line right?

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

Aren't the Lannisters (and the crown) out of money? With Tyrell gone doesn't that mean trouble?

Doesn't Tyrion play a game with his girlfriend a few seasons ago where he feels the heat of a candle or something? I have no idea if that's actually in the books though.

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

Daenary's entire campaign is a result of her seeing herself as the rightful ruler based on succession. Jon Snow besting her claim by her very own standards would be interesting.

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

Robert Baratheon was able to legitimately take the throne because he had an ancestor (one of his grandmothers) who was Targaryen. And Robert's presumed children with Cersei also have this same Targaryen link (officially Robert is considered their father despite the fact that Jaime is, which is dismissed as just ugly rumours).

But Cersei has no Targaryen ancestors (as far as I know), so her assuming the Iron Throne now is the first official break from the Targaryen line of succession.

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

Just because Wun Wun was the only giant fighting at Winterfell doesn't mean he's the last giant in the entire world. Never been said that he's the "last of his kind"

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

I did not know that. Thank you, makes more sense now.

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King's Landing will starve as well without their food. Basically Cersei is alone and fucked.


Yep, in season 1. Shae withstands the pain ftom the flame far better than Tyrion.

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

I feel like people are way too into what Tywin said to Tyrion. He's just mad that his wife died during childbirth, and on top of that, she birthed a dwarf.

I don't think he ever seriously questioned that his wife slept with someone else. Not everything characters say have hidden meanings.

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

A few variations of this out there, but neat for anyone that is familiar with the game Overwatch.

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I don't think they ever explained the Targaryen connection to Robert in the show, just in the books, right?

But might makes right. The Targaryens took over because, well, dragons, until they didn't have them anymore. The rebellion basically slaughtered most of the rightful heirs, and nobody was clamoring to give the throne back to the two kids smuggled across the sea. When Ned brings proof that Robert's kids are not his own, he basically gets ignored and killed. In the Iron Islands, you can basically kill your brother and his heirs as long as you have enough justification.

So I'm not sure who cares that much about succession. Surely Dany isn't still naive enough to think the people will welcome her with open arms, but she has dragons and a force now. The only people who care about these things seem to be people like the Starks and the Tullys who were getting screwed left and right.

I guess it's good for saving face though. "Hey we lost this war but I was giving it some thought and this guy has a legitimate claim to the throne because he's second cousins. That's why we're supporting him now."

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:lol:

I haven't watched the final After The Thrones of the season, but I'm pretty sure I know "Who Won The Week".

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

Jon Snow "won the week" on After the Thrones.

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Allow me to retort with this exact quote from Tywin:

That's a very strong statement to make and basically is admitting that there is a possibility that his wife cuckolding him. I cannot imagine someone like Tywin making that sort of admission simply in jest. You also seem to be ignoring how many times already on the show that a single line of dialogue has proven to be deliberately placed foreshadowing. There is substantial precedent here. It would also explain the degree of animosity that Tywin showed his son, which does seem quite excessive even considering his dwarfiness and the fact that his wife died during delivery.

I'd say that the odds of Tyrion's actual provenance not being what was originally advertised as being quite high, perhaps even nearly certain.

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

How would it be possible for Rhaegar and Lyanna to have been married (as I've seen theorized here)? Rhaegar was already married.

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Yeah, I don't think it was ever mentioned on the show, but it is mentioned in the bonus features in at least one of the DVD and Blu-ray boxed set in the "History and Lore" animated videos (as I recall, one narrated by Robert Baratheon mentions that this ancestral Targaryen connection legitimized his claim to the throne).

For example, this one mentions it:

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I guess I just disagree. I don't think the words are that out of order when describing a child that he has resented since birth due to the delivery and disability.

If he really thought he wasn't his, I wouldn't put it past him to kill him at birth. I also don't think he could have brought himself to make Tyrion hand of the king in his absence.

I could be wrong about this, but I do not think that Tyrion is also a Targaryen.

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

jfoobar's point is well taken, what seem like throwaway lines often later turn out not to be the case. But I tend to agree with spainlinx, I view it as a line intended to be hurtful and not truthful.

But we'll find out!

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

t's worth noting that when the Targaryens conquered Westeros 300 years before the events of the show, they never conquered the North -- the Starks were the one great House to bend the knee and swear allegiance to them rather than be conquered.

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Depending how things play out next year between Sansa and Jon, I think the relationships that Tyrion developed in earlier seasons with either or both of them will likely assuage any tensions before things get violent.

In the end, Jon and Dany will almost certainly have to work together. They've been the archetype male and female coming into their own lead characters since the first episode.

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

Each year the show is leaked on GoT fan forums. From production leaks, sometimes people manage to watch the entire episode before it airs. I'm not saying that's what happened here... but if you want to be surprised it would be wise o avoid fan discussions until you watch the episode. Everything in that post was leaked not only before this week, but while the season was still shooting.

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

I demand a recount!

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BTW, before the reveal, I was all "Damn! That meat-pie looks delicious - gotta find a recipe soon."

Then, after he lifts up the crust, I'm like. "eh. maybe not."

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

Nothin' says lovin' like marryin' your cousin.

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:lol:

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Damn, now we know where GoT really takes place.

Kentucky

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

There's a recipe for a GOT style meat pie in this book: https://www.amazon.com/Feast-Ice-Fir.../dp/0345534492

I've made it a couple times and it is excellent.

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

Which is why he also said:

Again, maybe just being hateful, but probably not.

It is but one possibility. I am, however, pretty certain that either Tyrion or Jaime/Cersei are not Tywin's natural children.

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

The Targaryens weren't big on monogamy, and many of the Targaryen kings had two wives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family...ouse_Targaryen

Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
 

I think there may be a little over-thinking on this. I see it merely as a part of Tywin's massive ego. He simply has a difficult time accepting that something so deformed could have come from his loins and killed his wife on the way out. This is simply his go-to when trying to berate and humiliate Tyrion.

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Trot out "Finger lickin' good" pun...here.

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OK, if Rhaegar and Lyanna were "married" while he was still married to someone else, would that make Jon Snow a legitimate heir under the laws of the kingdom? Could he even legally have two wives? I'm having trouble understanding how some people seem to think that Jon Snow could actually be a legitimate heir and next in line for the throne.

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Why would Robert kill Jon? The child didn't do anything, and Jon's father is dead anyway. Is it so that he (Robert) can be king? He'd kill his dead bethroted's son for the throne?