Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Disappointed that we didn't get any kind of update on the white walkers or the Wall. Anyone notice Benjen's mention of the magic underneath the Wall and how he can't cross it? Will the white walkers be able to cross if Bran crosses over it since they marked him?
So who is next in line for the throne if Cersei dies? I figure she's got to be too old to have another kid at this point. |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
She's probably mid to late 30's that's not too old to have another kid.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by bluetoast
(Post 12836222)
It's an abbreviation, people aren't going to write out the whole sentence every time to reference it.
But as for that, even though Jon does have that lineage, who else aside from Bran knows the information (and is alive)? And how could other people be made to believe it? Unless Bran takes them to time warp and see for themselves.
Originally Posted by Bill Needle
(Post 12836252)
So who is still alive from Arya's kill list? (aside from the Hound, who she refused to kill): The Mountain, Cersei, anyone else that is still around? If nothing else, it looks like we know where Arya is heading next season.
Arya killing Lord Frey was the only moment that felt truly off to me. |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
OK, was I the only one wondering what exactly the Mountain is gonna do to the "Shame!" lady? First I thought he was gonna rape her and then I thought he would torture her. Maybe a little a of both? I thought they might actually get her out of those robes since she is actually pretty hot looking.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Fuuuuuck can't believe how many notable characters died in that wildfire scene. Obviously Margaery will be missed the most.
Interesting that they switched Kevan Lannister's death with Maester Pycell. Guess they felt a "showdown" between Qyburn and Pycell was more dramatic. Arya killing Walder Frey was complete fan service. Too soon for that. And why the fuck is Walder all alone? No guards? I knew as soon as I saw him sitting alone it was over for him. I wonder when Sam is going to get the news that Jon was killed, brought back to life, and is now King of the North? His reaction next season should be interesting. So Dany has 3 dragons, the Unsullied, the Dothraki, most of the Iron Islanders, House Tyrell and House Martell on her side. Cersei doesn't stand a chance. |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by Bill Needle
(Post 12836253)
A lot is made about Jaime's rehabilitation over the course of the series. It seems to me that nearly everything that came from "Bad Jaime" is related to Cersei. His "Fuck everyone who isn't us" talk centers on his ties to her. That tells me that his rehab is complete when when she dies, either by his hand or another's (see my post above about Arya's dwindling list). Cersei is the last chain binding him to the dark side.
Really, what allies do the Lannister's have left. House Baratheon is dead. House Frey is dead. House Bolton is dead. Everyone up North pretty much just declared for House Stark. Everyone down South pretty much just declared for House Targaryen. |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Interesting parallel: The Red Wedding was a conspiracy among House Lannister, House Bolton, and House Frey. At the Red Wedding, they shot Robb with crossbows, they stabbed Talisa in the belly, and they slit Caitlin's throat.
The head of House Lannister got killed by a crossbow. The head of House Bolton got stabbed in the belly. The head of House Frey got his throat slit. |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by jfoobar
(Post 12836248)
Jaime is not even in the line of succession AFAIK. It is still a Baratheon royal house, not a Lannister royal house. He is suspicious because he came home and his last child is dead and Cersei is a regent again. Even though that we, as the viewers, know that he jumped out of the window, it is a pretty suspicious death to someone who didn't witness it.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by JasonF
(Post 12836276)
Interesting parallel: The Red Wedding was a conspiracy among House Lannister, House Bolton, and House Frey. At the Red Wedding, they shot Robb with crossbows, they stabbed Talisa in the belly, and they slit Caitlin's throat.
The head of House Lannister got killed by a crossbow. The head of House Bolton got stabbed in the belly. The head of House Frey got his throat slit. |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by LurkerDan
(Post 12836277)
I don't think Cersei is a regent again, she's flat out queen this time.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by windom
(Post 12836273)
OK, was I the only one wondering what exactly the Mountain is gonna do to the "Shame!" lady? First I thought he was gonna rape her and then I thought he would torture her. Maybe a little a of both? I thought they might actually get her out of those robes since she is actually pretty hot looking.
And I guess this puts to rest that rumor that Meera is Jon's twin. |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Okay, now that I've read through everyone's posts, I have to address a few points:
On the matter of Arya's "travel" thing, who's to say that several months haven't passed since we saw her last? It's not like her events coincide with everyone else's. Everything going on with Arya since she left the Hound has been completely unaffected by everyone else's stories. She's the one character who's been on her own doing her own thing, and, from what I recall, has received no news of anything going on with anyone. Aside from her watching the play about Cersei and Joffrey, she has no clue about anybody else. In regards to Sam's appearance and seemingly pointless story tonight, I think they set the tone for that library to play some part in next season's events. There's going to be some kind of information in all those books that someone is going to need for something extremely crucial to the whole series. That's just my feeling. Sam has been too minor of a character to just throw him onto the screen during an epic season finale like this and NOT have this setting up something major to the whole shabang. Cersei has to be the coolest character ever. And I mean coolest in the sense that she never loses her cool with everything going on around her. Without a doubt, she's an evil, conniving, self-centered c**t, but goddammit if it wasn't awesome to see everyone who's been fucking with her these last few seasons get their comeuppance. And that business she pulled with the nun chick that she left with the Mountain? Ice cold. That guy's gonna peel off her skin and feed it to her to keep her alive for more. Brutal. And I think Jamie's reaction at the end of her crowning was that of "Well, you got what you wanted. Hope the cost was worth it." And Dany. All I can say about Dany is that is one handsome woman. They chose well when they cast that role. She's been a tumultuous cauldron of strength and vulnerability that's led me to think from early on in the series that she's the one who's going to wind up on top when all the dust settles. Tonight, I was wondering if Tyrion was hitting on her, until the moment he knelt in front of her in genuine humility and gratitude. Those two are going to prove a formidable duo next season. |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
I do have a theory about Sam for season seven. (Don't read it, Groucho!)
Spoiler:
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by Tom Banjo
(Post 12836282)
Looked like he was getting ready to rape.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
I'm still stunned that they would taken out Queen Margaery. I am going to miss her games and manipulations. |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
(Post 12836284)
I do have a theory about Sam for season seven. (Don't read it, Groucho!)
Spoiler:
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Man that episode just delivered and delivered like an obstetrician moonlighting at Dominos. Lots of fan service and I don't care. Yeah the Walder Frey death was contrived, but not the part that he was fed a meat pie of his sons first. Yikes.
I loved everything about it but especially that score. It was so beautiful. And of course Lady Mormot. She is SO AWESOME. In all seriousness, you know how Chloe Grace Moretz got cast in everything that called for a teenage girl for the past six years? This actress needs to be her successor. |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Yeah, I really loved the score on this episode, as well. The piano during the first part of the episode was fantastic. It had a very John Carpenter-esque feel to it, IMO.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
BTW : What was Margery's end-game? I thought she had some sort of grand plan going on but even before she got flambéd, she seemed totally ineffective. That was a little disappointing. Thought she'd be given some sort of a payoff.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
I fcking teared up at lyanna mormont's speech. She's the real queen of the north!!
Annoyed by Margaerys death only because that scene earlier in the season with her giving the paper flower to olenna meant absolutely nothing now. Also Varys at dorne and on the targaryan fleet in the same episode was distracting;,no way that timeline would fit. Also annoyed at having to mention dorne again this season; woulda been perfectly fine not ever having mentioned it again |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by The Infidel
(Post 12836283)
Cersei has to be the coolest character ever. And I mean coolest in the sense that she never loses her cool with everything going on around her. Without a doubt, she's an evil, conniving, self-centered c**t, but goddammit if it wasn't awesome to see everyone who's been fucking with her these last few seasons get their comeuppance. And that business she pulled with the nun chick that she left with the Mountain? Ice cold. That guy's gonna peel off her skin and feed it to her to keep her alive for more. Brutal. And I think Jamie's reaction at the end of her crowning was that of "Well, you got what you wanted. Hope the cost was worth it."
So now she is queen. All of her children are dead. She has no allies. There isn't even anyone left to rule Casterly Rock, as she wiped out her uncle's lineage too. |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by Decker
(Post 12836290)
BTW : What was Margery's end-game? I thought she had some sort of grand plan going on but even before she got flambéd, she seemed totally ineffective. That was a little disappointing. Thought she'd be given some sort of a payoff.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
I think more of Margery's intent will be revealed with whatever her grandmother is planning. She'll tell someone what the flower on the paper meant, and Margery's death will take on a little more of a tragic meaning.
I have to disagree with what one of the guys said during the "after the episode" thing. He said if Cersei had been there for Tommen he might not have jumped out that window, and that she failed him in that regard. I don't think Cersei meant to be there with him. I think she wanted him to see it, and know what he helped bring about. The Mountain could have brought Tommen to Cersei with no effort at all, so it had to be her intent to get Tommen out of the way to get herself on the throne. After all, it was Tommen who called for her to be tried, so I'm sure her thinking was "I'll just have to take the little bastard out, too." |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Wow, they really cleaned house this season. By the time the White Walkers show up, the Seven Kingdoms are going to look like the opening of 28 Days Later.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
With they way that some people are able to get around so fast on this show, how did Brienne and Podrick not make it back to Winterfell yet? I assume that's where they'd be going, at least if they found out it's been taken by Jon and Sansa.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
When dealing with travel, you sort of have to assume that this stuff isn't taking place in real time. There could be weeks between scenes; just in this episode Jaime traveled from the Twins to Kings Landing, which is about as far as Arya would have traveled from The Fingers to The Twins to take out the Freys. (Braavos is just across the Narrow Sea from The Fingers, and from there it's west to the Twins.)
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Speaking of getting along fast on this show, I'm now convinced this guy is going to show up for the throne in the last episode.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by Dave99
(Post 12836243)
So what are the odds that the dragon army runs into euron and his fleet of ships at sea?
I'd say a massive naval battle scene next season is likely. Talk about a hell of a time for Euron to introduce that dragon horn. Perhaps D&D knew what they were doing leaving it out of the Kingsmoot after all. |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by B.A.
(Post 12836261)
it would be great if they combined this one with episode nine and put them on an IMAX screen before the next season premieres.
They did that for seasons 4 and 5. No reason to think this season's closing episodes won't get a theatrical release as well. |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Wow. Now to read through this thread.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Gendry was never legitimized and has no claim to the throne anyway, does he? I mean I know they killed off all the Baratheon bastards in season one to make sure of this, mainly because Cersei's kids are purely Lannisters. I'm actually kind of surprised they gave the throne to Cersei, since even if she has new kids they shouldn't be in the line of succession anyway. If Renly or Stannis had just been patient...
Wasn't the mad king's plan to burn all of Kings Landing down? So is there more black fire underground? I had hoped Jaime had made a deal with Edmure to overthrow the useless Freys, since it makes Edmure seem even more like a chump. Great reveal, though, even if it was fanservicey. Heck this entire episode was filled with fan service. One issue I had was that I didn't think Arya would be freely able to take faces as she wanted, but giving her that power does give more legitimacy to her time in Bravoos not just being a huge waste of time (when it's not pitch black). Jon Snow's lineage makes him kinda perfect as consort to Dany given family history. I'm guessing the reason they made the whisper inaudible, while still revealing who the baby was is because Spoiler:
Speaking of lineage, with Jaime being dismissed from his post as Kings Guard earlier this season, does he get to inherit Casterly Rock now (and have kids)? Otherwise there are basically no heirs to the houses of Baratheon, Lannister or Tyrell. Frey, Bolton, and Martell are wiped out as well. Aryn and Tully are under questionable leadership. Team Stark is making a comeback though (and they changed the opening back). No wonder the citadel can't keep up with all the leadership changes in the lands. The one thing I don't get with Littlefinger's plan is giving Sansa over to Bolton in the first place. |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by LurkerDan
(Post 12836277)
I don't think Cersei is a regent again, she's flat out queen this time.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Great episode....
A couple of my favorite moments (other than the big ones): Getting a chance to see Margery be herself again and figure everything out, only to be ignored and die a moment later. The Queen of Roses telling the Sand Snakes to shut the fuck up. Perfect. |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by fujishig
(Post 12836311)
Otherwise there are basically no heirs to the houses of Baratheon, Lannister or Tyrell. Frey, Bolton, and Martell are wiped out as well.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Has it ever been mentioned how to kill a dragon? That could be what Sam discovers in library.
After Dany conquers King's Landing and the south she'll move north to take out Jon Snow. Snow will force her into a truce/alliance against the coming battle with White Walkers and army of the dead. During the lull before the battle they start fooling around. In the end Jon and Dany rule as king and queen. Everybody lives happily ever after. |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Not that it's unheard of in Westeros, but Jon Snow is Dany's nephew. I see them being allies more than anything.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by majorjoe23
(Post 12836229)
I want Lady Mormont to win the Iron Throne by challenging all the lords of Westeros to rap battles.
Originally Posted by Decker
(Post 12836288)
Man that episode just delivered and delivered like an obstetrician moonlighting at Dominos.
Originally Posted by fujishig
(Post 12836311)
The one thing I don't get with Littlefinger's plan is giving Sansa over to Bolton in the first place.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by General Zod
(Post 12835613)
Predictions?
I think Queen Margaery is the sole ruler of King's landing at the end of the episode with all the other major players there dead. Perhaps she even plants to knife into Tommen. Complete guesses here but who knows.. :D |
Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by Maz Kanata
(Post 12836308)
They did that for seasons 4 and 5. No reason to think this season's closing episodes won't get a theatrical release as well.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16
Originally Posted by fujishig
(Post 12836311)
Jon Snow's lineage makes him kinda perfect as consort to Dany given family history. I'm guessing the reason they made the whisper inaudible, while still revealing who the baby was is because
Spoiler:
The one thing I don't get with Littlefinger's plan is giving Sansa over to Bolton in the first place. RE - Littlefinger That's the price the show paid for giving Sansa the Jeyne Poole storyline. Sure it gave her something to do last year and put that story in the hands of a known character, but it made Littlefinger's plan make less sense. |
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