Kdogg

Barry's the worst time/dimensional traveler EVER! The only time he didn't alter the universe is when he's on CBS.

As to the time remnant, the only way I can wrap my head around it is that:
1)Zoom goes back in time to a point were he is early stage Zoom.
2)Both Zooms remain in that time line making it the new time line for time traveling Zoom.
3)Now one Zoom can play Jay while the other Zoom territories the city.
4)Time traveling Zoom convinces past Zoom that he was to die.

If I wasn't practiced in comic book logic, I'd be lost.

Vipper II

People get taken (i.e. kidnapped) a lot in this show.

Big Boy Laroux

I know I should just throw all logic out the window when it comes to comic book stuff, and I like your explanation.

but if what you're saying is true, then that means the zoom that died will never get to the point of the original Zoom that traveled back in time. So the zoom that traveled back in time should never exist, and thus disappear.

I know they tried to set up some of this time Remnant stuff when thawne appeared earlier in the season, I guess I didn't pay enough attention then.

Kdogg

Ah but time traveling Zoom goes back only a few days and makes sure the old Zoom does everything that lends to the time travel. Once both reach the time of the time travel it breaks there dependency. Time traveling Zoom becomes the Zoom of this time line and old Zoom is redundant.

jwb0323

Ok, Barry just traveled fast enough to go through to Supergirl's earth, but instead of exploring that, they make Cisco use his powers to open a breach. Flash just opened a breach and says nothing about it! Not once did he say "hey there's this hot chick and hey there are more earths that if I go fast enough I can get to!"

They must not have known about the crossover when this filmed, but still, this who episode, in my opinion, was just awful!

I still don't get the logic behind the "Time remnant". so how did Zoom and Jay fight earlier in the series, was that a lie?

Was Hunter really being Zoom AND the Flash? This just is weird.

PhantomStranger

I vaguely hinted at it earlier in the thread but I think the entire time remnant stuff explained by Zoom wasn't the truth.

candyrocket786

I don't get how he concealed the whole blue lightning thing if that's the side effect of V9. There was definitely an E2 Flashback between him/Wells (not sure from who's POV) and then he uses the V9 on E1 (while Barry is on E2) but runs into complications (which was either an act or all true).

Fuck man... this shit isn't suppose to be that complicated.

Big Boy Laroux

But when they hit the point of when future Zoom time traveled, and past zoom never then actually travels back in time... future zoom should cease to exist and he no longer should be part of the timeline.

ok, i'm officially stopping thinking about it.

stingo

At least until the next episode.

Hokeyboy

You're overthinking, guys. Just go with it

Kdogg

Barry said lighting only turns blue if you fast enough. That's why the girl from a couple episodes ago only turned blue at the end when crossed that speed level.

Yeah I couldn't reconcile that either. Screw it, a wizard did it.

slop101

Still waiting on an answer for this (if there is one):

Big Boy Laroux

Not explained yet.

The Valeyard

It's Darkseid.

Michael Corvin

They're finally bringing Wally around. Wasn't a fan of yet another kidnapping though. Guess they had to get one more use out of Zoom's hideout.

Didn't Wells address this previously essentially saying "whatever happened, happened." Point being, there are no time paradoxes on this show. Whatever led them to this point, already happened once so there's no changing it. i.e. Zolomon grows up to be Zoom, travels back in time kidnaps his younger self and kills him.

My question is, if Zoom is aware of time travel, how has he not run across Reverse Flash? or has he?

That's what I assumed.

Big Boy Laroux

I could buy that, if the show didn't contradict that with its major event of season 1 (Eddie killing himself erases eobard thawne from existence). All I want is consistency from my fictional comic book shows where people time travel!

Michael Corvin

Hmm, good point. I got nothing on that one.

Eric F

It's all lies!

Original Desmond

Yeah this was a really stupid episode

More of the same Zoom nonsense

And when you have a villian on the ropes, don't banter with him until he escapes, PUT HIM THE FUCK DOWN PROPERLY ! cut his balls off, shoot him in the leg, gauge his eyes out, stick a rod up his butt, anything to disable him permanently

This show needs to end the zoom storyline once and for all

Koby

Eh, if I'm remembering things correctly... Zoom said the fake Jay was a time remnant. So he didn't simply travel back in time and get his younger self. -_-

If I'm understanding the explanation correctly, I was under the impression that....
Basically, he traveled back in time and somehow changed something that affected the time line, but somehow grabbed himself from the time line that no longer existed as a result of changing something and taking a different fork on the time line. So he was a remnant of a time that didn't exist anymore.

Hence why his fate didn't bear any meaning on the fate of Zoom.

PhantomStranger

Here is a good timeline of Zoom's antics this season, breaking it down.

http://screenrant.com/the-flash-expl...jay-zoom-plan/

Michael Corvin

That makes sense... BUT

If Zoom can time travel that precisely, to go back and grab a version of himself from an alternate timeline then why the ridiculous plan? If an earlier/healthy AlternateZolomon is expendable then why not steal his speedforce? Why the elaborate ruse to get Barry? Go back in time or to an alternate timeline and kidnap/steal an unsuspecting Barry.

Superman07

Did we get the entire Jay Garick is Flash from Earth-2 before Wells 2 showed up on Earth 1? Otherwise, wouldnt Well's 2 have said, 12 episodes ago, "Hey, that's not Flash from my Earth. We never had a Flash on my Earth!" Or was Zoloman playing both parts on Earth-2? I guess that could explain why he didn't recognize the guy.



Pretty sure Wally will help save the day. They've been driving home his drive for speed and science smarts the entire time.

Interestingly I saw a news article today showcasing early prototype high definition video from 1993. The article speculated it was filmed on a 10 lbs Sony camera. In comparison they highlighted how the same technology is now a few ounce, the size of a finger nail, and fits in your phone. And to think, it only took 20 years!

By contrast, Wells shrank the speed device from a frisbee to the size of a half dollar in a day. Whoop!

Agree, no way Barry wouldn't have said anything about his Supergirl visit. Nothing was happening that urgently to NOT mention it. Especially of the possibility of Cisco saying, "Oh course! If there is an Earth 2, there have to be other Earths. You must have travelled to a 3rd Earth! The breaches from 1-2 are closed, but if we get Harry to invent the flux capacitor for your suit, we can have you sling shot from Earth 3 to 2!"

Deadpool

majorjoe23

We saw Jay Flash and Wells interacting on Earth 2, so Wells was under the impression that Jay was a hero, even if they didn't get along.