The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
Yeah. That was pretty terrible.
Once Wally was free Barry could have fought Zoom. But no, a deal is a deal after all. Let me just give you my speed. Ugh.
Once Wally was free Barry could have fought Zoom. But no, a deal is a deal after all. Let me just give you my speed. Ugh.
#27
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
What I don't get about that is why did they bother showing a scene of Zoom saying "this complicates things" when he killed his past self (once the last breach was closed), if they had already agreed that was going to happen?
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
I still like the show... but this reveal and explanation does not compute to me.
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We've never met Jay Garrick on this show. But did a good Jay Garrick ever exist on this version of Earth 2? I think that is what Mark Waid is upset about. I'm not sure there ever was a real Jay Garrick Flash on this Earth 2's history. If that is the case, I am mildly upset as well. If the man in the iron mask is the "real" Golden Age Flash Jay Garrick, he's not from Earth 1 or Earth 2. Zoom plucked him from another Earth.
[/quote]wonder if Caitlin will ever date again on this show. First Ronnie dies, only for her to date a psychotic serial killer from another dimension after him.[/QUOTE]
I don't judge her. She has needs .
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
We've never met Jay Garrick on this show. But did a good Jay Garrick ever exist on this version of Earth 2? I think that is what Mark Waid is upset about. I'm not sure there ever was a real Jay Garrick Flash on this Earth 2's history. If that is the case, I am mildly upset as well.
If the man in the iron mask is the "real" Golden Age Flash Jay Garrick, he's not from Earth 1 or Earth 2. Zoom plucked him from another Earth.
I wonder if Caitlin will ever date again on this show. First Ronnie dies, only for her to date a psychotic serial killer from another dimension after him.
If the man in the iron mask is the "real" Golden Age Flash Jay Garrick, he's not from Earth 1 or Earth 2. Zoom plucked him from another Earth.
I wonder if Caitlin will ever date again on this show. First Ronnie dies, only for her to date a psychotic serial killer from another dimension after him.
I have a feeling this plot-twist will somehow lead to Wally gaining some of Barry's speed. He's sure to find out Barry is The Flash at any rate.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
If Hunter Zolomon was basically Charles Manson-level famous, it seems like a maskless superhero identity probably wasn't the best idea.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
The whole reveal and explanation about Zoom/Jay/Zolomon was very convoluted.
I'm wondering if this episode was written well before the Supergirl crossover was written and filmed. Seemed a little weird that Barry came back after disappearing and didn't even acknowledge he went to another earth and met Supergirl.
Makes me think Berlanti and his writers saw this little "gap" in the script where they could make it feasible for a crossover to happen.
I'm wondering if this episode was written well before the Supergirl crossover was written and filmed. Seemed a little weird that Barry came back after disappearing and didn't even acknowledge he went to another earth and met Supergirl.
Makes me think Berlanti and his writers saw this little "gap" in the script where they could make it feasible for a crossover to happen.
#35
Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
The whole reveal and explanation about Zoom/Jay/Zolomon was very convoluted.
I'm wondering if this episode was written well before the Supergirl crossover was written and filmed. Seemed a little weird that Barry came back after disappearing and didn't even acknowledge he went to another earth and met Supergirl.
Makes me think Berlanti and his writers saw this little "gap" in the script where they could make it feasible for a crossover to happen.
I'm wondering if this episode was written well before the Supergirl crossover was written and filmed. Seemed a little weird that Barry came back after disappearing and didn't even acknowledge he went to another earth and met Supergirl.
Makes me think Berlanti and his writers saw this little "gap" in the script where they could make it feasible for a crossover to happen.
Though, yeah, they probably had this set up before they got the permission for the cross-over (or it could go "as is" if they didn't get permission).
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
yeah, too much going on. so the iron mask guy is wally west of E2, right? he's got speed and connection to the wests, so that is why he is being held. only thing that makes sense. or unless somehow it is E1 wally west, who gets speed and crosses over/time travels. could the returned wally not even be the right wally?
i do agree that it was ridiculous he just gives up his speed. he's clearly faster and yet once wally is let go, he just gives up. stupid.
i do agree that it was ridiculous he just gives up his speed. he's clearly faster and yet once wally is let go, he just gives up. stupid.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
The guy in the mask is E1 Jay? Maybe that's why an E1 Jay wasn't shown to exist so far. Make as much sense as anything.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
Having now thought about this season in total, I think the writers have one more trick up their sleeve no one is going to see coming.
This episode was the false denouement that often precedes the real revelation. Some of the stuff revealed by fake Jay hasn't sat well with me for some reason.
This episode was the false denouement that often precedes the real revelation. Some of the stuff revealed by fake Jay hasn't sat well with me for some reason.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
What was the deal with when Zolomon said "darkness" and his eyes went dark and he broke out of the leg brace?
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
I loved Zoom's Origin story.
Hated most everything else.
Maybe the FLASH Producers should hire Mark Waid to write an episode or two.
Based on his current ARCHIE stories he could handle these relationship issue alot better then the writers
have so far.
Hated most everything else.
Maybe the FLASH Producers should hire Mark Waid to write an episode or two.
Based on his current ARCHIE stories he could handle these relationship issue alot better then the writers
have so far.
#44
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
Until we get more information, I'm treating everything Jay/Zoom said as a flat-out lie or misdirection. Since Zoom is insane, I don't think a lot of what he says can be taken at face value.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
The funniest part is that with Jay/Zoom dying, they actually didn't have to do a single goddamn thing, except to just wait for him to die, which wasn't supposed to take much longer. But now they've given him new life. Idiots.
#46
Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
Yeah, i normally follow time travel stuff OK, but the killing of the time remnant...
If the time remnant is from the past, wouldn't that have killed current zoom (similar to thawne being wiped from existence).
If the time remnant is from the future, isn't zoom ending his own life in the future? Where's the logic in that?
Also love that Barry is given a list of things to specifically NOT do, and he does EVERY SINGLE ONE (well, except telling cisco/kaitlin about wells being thawne).
If the time remnant is from the past, wouldn't that have killed current zoom (similar to thawne being wiped from existence).
If the time remnant is from the future, isn't zoom ending his own life in the future? Where's the logic in that?
Also love that Barry is given a list of things to specifically NOT do, and he does EVERY SINGLE ONE (well, except telling cisco/kaitlin about wells being thawne).
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
I can't help but think that Welles tinkered with his speed force transfer device to include something to bring Zoom down. Interesting that Zoom unhesitatingly injected the contents into himself without verifying them. That would allow Barry to retain hero status because he bargained in good faith, albeit with a terrorist. I couldn't help but think of the Spaceballs quote "Evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
I too didn't get how Zoom apparently got back to Earth 2 with Wally unless Zoom went back in time to when the breaches still existed on Earth 1, went back to Earth 2 and then sped back to current time.
I too didn't get how Zoom apparently got back to Earth 2 with Wally unless Zoom went back in time to when the breaches still existed on Earth 1, went back to Earth 2 and then sped back to current time.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
FFS people, crying foul about Jay Garrick and instantly assuming the worst:
For those inquiring, we love Jay Garrick and would never make him a baddie. No reinvention. Keep watching love that you're asking q's.
— Greg Berlanti (@GBerlanti) April 20, 2016
— Greg Berlanti (@GBerlanti) April 20, 2016
#49
Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
I understood that to be that once Cisco opened the breach in the hospital, it was left open.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16
You can't really think it's going to be that cut & dried. There's going to be some kind of twist where they double-crossed Zoom and he only THINKS he's won. But HOW they double-crossed him is what they're making us wait for.