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The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16



TUESDAY, APRIL 19

THE FLASH

"Versus Zoom" - (8:00-9:00:30 p.m. ET) (TV-14, V) (HDTV)

BARRY IS READY TO FACE ZOOM; HUNTER ZOLOMAN'S STORY IS REVEALED - Equipped with the tachyon device, Barry (Grant Gustin) believes he is fast enough to stop Zoom (guest star Teddy Sears) and wants to open the breaches to catch him. Harry (Tom Cavanagh) strongly advises against that plan but after Barry convinces him, Harry reveals that Cisco (Carlos Valdes) has the power to re-open the breach. Meanwhile, Hunter Zoloman's (Teddy Sears) painful story on Earth-2 is revealed. Stefan Pleszcynski directed the episode written by Joe Peracchio & David Kob (#218). Original airdate 4/19/2016.



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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

Can't wait.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

Did we ever get any sort of connection to that Supergirl crossover? I forgot already.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

Originally Posted by Jackskeleton View Post
Did we ever get any sort of connection to that Supergirl crossover? I forgot already.
Yes and No.

Last episode Barry said he was trying to get Faster, which was referenced in the Supergirl episode when he appeared in National City. But, there was nothing that tied it directly to the Supergirl episode. So that episode took place before Supergirl.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

There should be a mention tonight. You should see him create the device and travel to the other dimension and come back in a matter of seconds.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

Originally Posted by Jackskeleton View Post
Did we ever get any sort of connection to that Supergirl crossover? I forgot already.
Tonight's episode is the one that is linked to the Supergirl Cross-over.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

Originally Posted by Koby View Post
Tonight's episode is the one that is linked to the Supergirl Cross-over.
I imagine that first scene when he was trying out the new gadget and disappeared for a second explains the moment when he went to Supergirl's universe.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

not finale i gather?
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

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I imagine that first scene when he was trying out the new gadget and disappeared for a second explains the moment when he went to Supergirl's universe.
Yup. I guess that was it. Shocked he didn't say anything about Supergirl. I'm only at the 10 min point of the episode though.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

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not finale i gather?
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

If Vibe brought Zoom over, how'd Zoom get back?

Did I miss something?
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

^Get back to where?

Why are they still calling him Jay?
Isn't he actually Hunter Zolomon on E-2
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

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^Get back to where?
Vibe brought Zoom from E2 to E1 by opening the rift in "Patch Adams'" office (which is opposite his lair on E2, right?).

Then he takes Wally back to E2 where he's holding the Man in the Iron Mask.

Or is all that taking place in E1?

I'm confused.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

Seriously. Between the time travel and multiple earths, need a flow chart.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

WTF is going on?
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

I think I am done. I am just not as smart as you guys and have no idea what is going on. I am not a fan of this earth 2 stuff and really enjoyed the tight and simple storytelling of season 1.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

Mark waid (former flash writer) is upset for some reason. Sounds like every fanboy on the internet.

@MarkWaid: Wow. Wow. Wow. For the first time, #TheFlash faceplanted an episode/reveal, betrayed all good will. Sorry I watched. #heartbroken

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Doesn't matter who the man in the iron mask is. It sucks to be punished--actively punished--for being a fan.

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My complaint is bigger than plot. It's about pissing on legacy. Unless there's some Jay fix, I'm out. #TheFlash
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

Originally Posted by Goldberg74 View Post
Vibe brought Zoom from E2 to E1 by opening the rift in "Patch Adams'" office (which is opposite his lair on E2, right?).

Then he takes Wally back to E2 where he's holding the Man in the Iron Mask.

Or is all that taking place in E1?

I'm confused.
Oh, yeh. Hmm?
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

Originally Posted by stingermck View Post
Mark waid (former flash writer) is upset for some reason. Sounds like every fanboy on the internet.

@MarkWaid: Wow. Wow. Wow. For the first time, #TheFlash faceplanted an episode/reveal, betrayed all good will. Sorry I watched. #heartbroken

@MarkWaid
Doesn't matter who the man in the iron mask is. It sucks to be punished--actively punished--for being a fan.

@MarkWaid
My complaint is bigger than plot. It's about pissing on legacy. Unless there's some Jay fix, I'm out. #TheFlash
As I mentioned earlier, didn't they reveal him to be Zolomon?
They said his parents were the Zolomons and his dad was Jim/Jimmy Zolomon.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

I guess I already assumed all this. Zoom is zolomon and Jay was a fake identity used to gain trust. Probably the real Jay in the iron mask.

I don't think this pisses on Jay, cause it's not Jay.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

Exactly, surprised Waid hasn't guessed that.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

Originally Posted by stingermck View Post
Mark waid (former flash writer) is upset for some reason. Sounds like every fanboy on the internet.

@MarkWaid: Wow. Wow. Wow. For the first time, #TheFlash faceplanted an episode/reveal, betrayed all good will. Sorry I watched. #heartbroken

@MarkWaid
Doesn't matter who the man in the iron mask is. It sucks to be punished--actively punished--for being a fan.

@MarkWaid
My complaint is bigger than plot. It's about pissing on legacy. Unless there's some Jay fix, I'm out. #TheFlash
Mark Waid is famous for overreacting. He needs to just let the season finish before making these asinine comments. It was pretty clear that Jay Garrick was just an alias that Hunter Zolomon used. This Solomon is pretty close to his comic book counterpart. I wouldn't be surprised that the man in the iron mask is actually Jay Garrick, and he's actually a superhero.

Garrick being Zolomon also explains something we talked about here before: how the hell did "Garrick" support himself monetarily on Earth 1. It explains how "Garrick" could go around on Earth 1 without money or a house to live in. Still, the timeline thing with the multiple Zolomon's is a little confusing.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

We've never met Jay Garrick on this show. But did a good Jay Garrick ever exist on this version of Earth 2? I think that is what Mark Waid is upset about. I'm not sure there ever was a real Jay Garrick Flash on this Earth 2's history. If that is the case, I am mildly upset as well.

If the man in the iron mask is the "real" Golden Age Flash Jay Garrick, he's not from Earth 1 or Earth 2. Zoom plucked him from another Earth.

I wonder if Caitlin will ever date again on this show. First Ronnie dies, only for her to date a psychotic serial killer from another dimension after him.
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

Originally Posted by Goldberg74 View Post
Vibe brought Zoom from E2 to E1 by opening the rift in "Patch Adams'" office (which is opposite his lair on E2, right?).

Then he takes Wally back to E2 where he's holding the Man in the Iron Mask.

Or is all that taking place in E1?

I'm confused.
I came here to ask this same question. That made no sense. Somehow Zoom can jump between dimensions but they don't explain how or they made a major mistake.

I also didn't get how Wally was in the house saying he was there but when they got upstairs he wasn't there. If Zoom took him before they got upstairs wouldn't he have run past them in a blur.

Then the last thing I don't get is the time Zoom double. If the time double was Zoom's past self why didn't that also kill present Zoom?
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Re: The Flash (S2E18) -- "Versus Zoom" -- 4/19/16

Dull, dull dull. Stupid twist. Maybe worst episode of Flash ever.

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