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wasnt there supposed to be a follow up season or something? I can only imagine the lawsuit against the prosecutors when this all wraps up... what a cluster...

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It took 10 years to get the first one to the audience. All they've announced is they're filming a follow-up. The case is still unfolding. I'd prefer they not rush something out.

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Netflix commissioned a second season, but it's unclear when new episodes would be released.
http://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-...etflix-release

The filmmakers had near 10 years to film/edit the first season (they started in 2005). They may be waiting to see what happens with Brendan's recent case, or this new Avery appeal:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7878061.html

I assume they're more concerned about making a quality second season then they are about timeliness. For comparison, the Paradise Lost documentaries had a 14 year gap between the 1st and 2nd film:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradi...bin_Hood_Hills

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Hopefully the filmmakers have some pull and can get more time to make a quality second season. I'm sure Netflix wants to capitalize on the interest of the first season with a quicker turn around for season 2

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Actually, I feel Netflix may be more willing to allow for longer gaps than traditional networks, who prefer to have new episodes out every year. This is most notable with broadcast networks, but even cable channels like AMC and HBO will split the "final season" of a show over multiple years. The worry is the show will fall off people's radar and/or DVR season pass lists.

Netflix, meanwhile, knows that they can just promote the next season, whenever it comes up, on the top of people's screen, especially if they watched the previous season.

I think people are getting more used to there being gaps between seasons, even long ones, as the recent revivals of X-Files, Gilmore Girls, and Will and Grace have shown.

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I would FAR prefer that any second season holds off until something actually happens. To me, this is one of the biggest issues with American TV (versus British TV) -- just because it is a new year doesn't mean there needs to be episodes of a show simply just to have episodes. Allow a show (fiction or non-fiction) to develop and actually have something to say.

At this point, I am really surprised Avery and his nephew haven't been convicted of drawing 27 dicks on 27 cars. :shrug:

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Well, shit :


NEWS DEC 9 2017, 1:00 AM ET
Appeals court rules that ‘Making a Murderer’ defendant Dassey’s confession stands
by ASSOCIATED PRESS


CHICAGO — A federal appeals court in Chicago narrowly overturned a ruling Friday that could have freed a Wisconsin inmate featured in the "Making a Murderer" series from prison, though one dissenting judge called the case "a profound miscarriage of justice."

The full 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reviewed Brendan Dassey's claims that investigators tricked him into confessing that he took part in raping and killing photographer Teresa Halbach in 2005. Dassey was sentenced to life in prison in 2007 after telling detectives he helped his uncle, Steven Avery, rape and kill Halbach.

The 4-to-3 opinion conceded a ruling wasn't obvious or easy, but said it came down to whether findings by Wisconsin state courts that Dassey wasn't coerced into confessing were reasonable.


Brendan Dassey is escorted into court for his sentencing Thursday, Aug. 2, 2007, in Manitowoc, Wis. ASSOCIATED PRESS
"The state courts' finding that Dassey's confession was voluntary was not beyond fair debate, but we conclude it was reasonable," their 39-page ruling said.

But Judge Ilana Diamond Rovner strongly disagreed.

"His confession was not voluntary and his conviction should not stand, and yet an impaired teenager has been sentenced to life in prison," she wrote in her dissent. "I view this as a profound miscarriage of justice."

In her dissent, Chief Judge Diane P. Wood added: "Without this involuntary and highly unreliable confession, the case against Dassey was almost nonexistent."

A federal magistrate judge overturned Dassey's conviction last year, ruling that detectives took advantage of Dassey's youth — he was 16 at the time — and learning disabilities to coerce his confession. A three-judge panel from the 7th Circuit upheld the magistrate's ruling in June. But the state asked for a review by the full 7th Circuit — leading to Friday's decision.

Dassey's attorneys, Laura Nirider and Robert Drizin, said they were "profoundly disappointed" and would seek relief from the U.S. Supreme Court.

"Today's ruling contravenes a fundamental and time-honored position of the United States Supreme Court: interrogation tactics that may not be coercive when applied to adults are coercive when applied to children and the mentally impaired," they said in a statement.

State attorneys asked the full 7th Circuit to review the case, arguing the ruling called long-accepted police interrogation tactics into question. The appellate court rarely grants such reviews but opted to take Dassey's case in August without comment on the merits.

Dassey has remained in prison while the state appeals.

Both Avery and Dassey contend police framed them because they wanted revenge against Avery for filing a lawsuit against Manitowoc County over wrongful imprisonment for a sexual assault he didn't commit.

Their cases gained attention in 2015 after Netflix aired "Making a Murderer," a series examining Halbach's death that spawned widespread conjecture about Avery and Dassey's innocence.

Authorities who worked on the cases said the series was biased.

ASSOCIATED PRESS

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As the article states, time to appeal it to the Supreme Court.

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I’m curious why the four judges voted to overturn the the previous ruling. Is there something really there or did they just take it on face value “he said it”?

I know they can only look at the confession and how it was obtained, nothing else, but it seems that anybody with some common sense could see what happened there. Then again, we saw a documentary which has biases and editing capabilities. So what was it these judges saw that made them believe it was an actual and legitimate confession?

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He said it, probably.

This guy who was a kid then has really been screwed over by just about everyone.

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Sorry, this bump isn't about an update to this case (but hoping there is eventually news of their exoneration), but I watched "The Confession Tapes" over the weekend on Netflix and it's very similar to this doc.

Basically it's 6 episodes/cases where people were manipulated by police into confessing for a crime they didn't commit, it being used against them in trial and despite the strong evidence that they didn't do it, they got fucked by the jury anyway.

Worth checking out for sure if you liked Making a Murderer (even though it will make you even more pissed at the "justice" system)

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Two seemingly random-but-related thoughts:

I now have a better understanding about why Arthur Miller’s The Crucible should be taught in school.

These guys need better lawyer dogs.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="es" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/MakingAMurderer?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MakingAMurderer</a> Part 2 premieres October 19 <a href="https://t.co/dL1Ob8eD5E">pic.twitter.com/dL1Ob8eD5E</a></p>&mdash; Netflix US (@netflix) <a href="https://twitter.com/netflix/status/1044594862471884800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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It'll be interesting to watch, but I can't see it being as compelling as the first series.

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Agree...there has basically been no news other than Dassy getting fucked again and again.

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The series has been gripping, but I don't think anything has really changed in the case...
I'll let this go until/if something does break.

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The other part of the problem is we all were probably manipulated into believing something that wasn't close to the truth at all.

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Now that would be an interesting Season 2 — a re-edit or new material making the case from the other side.

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I'm also not seeing the point of this at this point. When they first announced they were doing a sequel, a new high-profile attorney was on the case and spouting optimism about righting wrongs. Unfortunately, as far as I know, none of that has come to pass, even though there was initially some positive news regarding Brendan.

What were we manipulated into believing that wasn't close to the truth at all?

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I feel like this season may be like the 2nd in the Paradise Lost films, where it's just filing in what's happened instead of providing a conclusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradi...bin_Hood_Hills

That side was already presented, via the media at the time of the trial. Most of my family lives in WI. When my sister visited me recently, discussion of American Vandal came around to Making a Murderer, and as someone who was in the state as the trial was going on, she's convinced they're guilty. She didn't even watch the show because she heard some of the complaints lobbed against it (missing certain evidence, biased filmmakers, etc.) and decided she didn't have to watch something trying to convince her against something she already knew to be true.

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This was tweeted by Kathleen Zelner (currently representing Steven Avery):

Facts Matter: We are at the BEGINNING not END of Steven Avery’s post-conviction appeal process. #persistence #marathonnotsprint #DejaVu #Cancelthatparade @lifeafterten @michellemalkin #MakingAMurderer #makingExonorees

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I watched S1; it was riveting and unforgettable.
Having followed the legal developments since then, I'm not sure what S2 has to offer.
Doubt I'll watch.

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Can't believe they mananged to put together another 10+ hours of documentary out of this story, considering no new developments in the case. Kinda stunning actually. Hope it isn't almost all filler.

The Vox review isn't very kind :
https://www.vox.com/2018/10/19/17981...review-netflix

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^Neither is USA Today's. Eventually I may get around to it.