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Old 08-13-21 | 02:28 PM
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See?? Isn't it more interesting when strategy applies to Final Jeopardy, and not just "how much will Matt win by today?"
No, it's all pretty much the same.
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Old 08-13-21 | 06:51 PM
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Watching tonight's episode 'live' - at least for me. Very interesting.

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And he did the $1 FJ wager. Gutsy.

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Old 08-13-21 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
Watching tonight's episode 'live' - at least for me. Very interesting.

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And he did the $1 FJ wager. Gutsy.
That was a good game!! If she didn't mess up on the daily double she would have been much closer. The score of the second place person going into Final Jeopardy made it interesting. Under the old rules, he would not have needed to wager anything to remain champion. Now he needed to place a wager of any amount if he wanted to avoid a tie breaker situation.
Old 08-14-21 | 01:42 PM
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That was a good game!! If she didn't mess up on the daily double she would have been much closer. The score of the second place person going into Final Jeopardy made it interesting. Under the old rules, he would not have needed to wager anything to remain champion. Now he needed to place a wager of any amount if he wanted to avoid a tie breaker situation.
Oh that's right. I forgot that they do tiebreaker questions now.
Old 08-14-21 | 03:39 PM
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I didn't know that. How do the tiebreakers work?
Old 08-14-21 | 03:53 PM
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I didn't know that. How do the tiebreakers work?
The host asks a question, and the first of the tied contestants who buzzes in and answers it correctly wins.

I think I've only seen this happen once or twice.

From what I recall, the question wasn't too difficult, so both of them probably knew the answer.
Old 08-16-21 | 02:30 PM
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https://uproxx.com/tv/levar-burton-jeopardy-ratings/

LeVar Burton may have had all the internet buzz when it came to potentially taking over as Jeopardy! host, but those tweets certainly didn’t translate into eyeballs on the syndicated trivia game show.

While the last week has been full of discussion and controversy over who Jeopardy! picked as its next hosts, a common name frustrated fans brought up when mentioning alternatives is former Reading Rainbow host LeVar Burton. Burton fans were outraged he did not get asked to host the show over Mike Richards and Mayim Bialik, who will host the syndicated run and ABC prime time events, respectively.

A rumor that Burton was offered a production deal was also squashed much to his supporters’ dismay. Picking the successor to Alex Trebek has turned into a messy process involving behind-the-scenes politics, on-screen performance and other metrics of evaluation. One thing missing from that discourse, however, was how Burton actually did in the Jeopardy! ratings. But as Newsweek uncovered on Monday it was probably for the best that wasn’t a factor for Burton, because his week guest hosting the show in July was the worst reported stretch of the guest host periods this year:
But figures obtained by Newsweek from Nielsen Media Research show that the TV personality actually landed at the bottom of the guest-hosting pile, with a paltry 4.4 audience share during his single week at the helm of the syndicated quiz show.

Before that, Savannah Guthrie and Dr. Sanjay Gupta held the record with a tied low of 4.7 during one of their two weeks as presenter—a figure also shared by Good Morning America’s Robin Roberts during her week of hosting.
Newsweek pointed out that Ken Jennings had the highest ratings of the year, taking over for the late Trebek first and posting a high of 6.1 during his six weeks of hosting. Richards, the eventual pick to replace Trebek, had a 5.9 rating during his fortnight behind the podium. Those stood as the highs for the current season, which ended on Friday with broadcaster Joe Buck hosting the show.

Looking at these ratings as a 1:1 comparison is, of course, a bit unfair. But for one reason or another the show saw a steady decline in ratings as the guest hosting string went along. Jennings also hosted immediately after Trebek’s death, and there was considerable buzz over how he would do. Both his and Richards’ hosting duties were also in winter, not late in the summer when people may be less likely to sit down and watch syndicated television with the sun still out.

It’s also worth noting that Burton got just a single week to guest host, while most got a full fortnight’s worth of shows filmed over two days. That may have a lot to do with his actual performance on the show, which he himself admitted wasn’t nearly as good as he’d hoped. All of those factors, whether fair or not, conspired to keep him out in the cold when it came to who the show actually picked to succeed Trebek.

If you’re a fan of Burton and want him to host Jeopardy!, though, none of the numbers we’re seeing (or his own performance review) will deter the frustration of seeing Richards and Bialik taking over full-time. And it’s worth noting that we don’t have ratings data for David Faber or Buck just yet, so Burton may not end the season as the worst-rated guest host. But what is clear is despite Burton being the talk of Twitter in the aftermath of the hiring decision, his presence actually hosting the show did little to move the needle in the ratings.

If you're going to push for someone to be host and then be upset when that host doesn't get the gig, at least you could have watched him during his week! When Burton is the guest host who pulls the lowest ratings, it's hard to say producers are wrong not to hire him. If people were really serious about him getting the job, they should have spoken by watching his week.

Of course, it's interesting to note that the show has seen a steady ratings decline, but if Burton could have reversed that trend, it would certainly have made him a far more viable candidate.
Old 08-16-21 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick Danger
I didn't know that. How do the tiebreakers work?


A few years ago -- everyone was caught off guard except for Alex who went right to the tiebreaker question.
Old 08-16-21 | 03:17 PM
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Interesting choice to use “fortnight” as a measure of time twice in that article.
Old 08-16-21 | 03:51 PM
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A few years ago -- everyone was caught off guard except for Alex who went right to the tiebreaker question.
I'm pretty sure I remember that at some time in the past tie-breakers were awarded to the contestant that had the most money at the start of the double Jeopardy round. I don't know what the process would have been if they had the same amount, at that point.

Also, didn't they used to allow for a tie? I.e. both players would come back for the next game as co-champions? I'm sure I remember that happening, as well.
Old 08-16-21 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by andicus

Also, didn't they used to allow for a tie? I.e. both players would come back for the next game as co-champions? I'm sure I remember that happening, as well.

The History of the ‘Jeopardy!’ Tiebreaker and the Quest to Revolutionize the Final Wager


If two contestants (or even three, as happened in 2007) finished with the same non-zero score at the end of Final Jeopardy!, they were named co-champions and welcomed back together to play in the next game—taking home whatever money they won in the first and getting a shot at a second big payday.

As more and more aspiring Jeopardy! contestants discovered Williams’s site and began to follow his instructions, the number of ties skyrocketed: In 2014, for example, the games that aired on October 28 and October 30 both produced co-champions. That spring, Arthur Chu had embarked on a headline-grabbing 11-game winning streak—at the time, the third-longest in show history—in which he explicitly deployed Williams’s recommended strategies to gun for a tie. (He tied once, and took home just shy of $300,000.) Chu’s success pushed the strategy into the mainstream.
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Alley’s suspicion is that the show was never all that worried about the extra expense of paying for multiple champions’ victories (a reasonable guess, given how much Jeopardy! rakes in each year). Instead, he says, the tiebreaker was likely implemented to preserve the flow of contestants. In a given year, some 100,000 people try out for one of those 400 spots on the show. Many spend years trying to get chosen. On a typical tape day, the show brings in 10 new contestants—many having flown in from across the country at their own expense—as well as a couple of local alternates. With two ties, there are two fewer slots—two more people who may have waited years for the Jeopardy! invitation before being told to go back home and try again. For all the perennial stories about strategies like the Forrest Bounce or James Holzhauer’s big bets breaking Jeopardy!, this was the one that really did it. And so: the tiebreaker.
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Old 08-16-21 | 06:40 PM
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Ken Jennings rerun from when he was a contestant?
Old 08-16-21 | 08:08 PM
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Ken Jennings rerun from when he was a contestant?
Season 38 is over. They are now doing 2 weeks of Alex's favorite episodes.

Episode list:
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“Around the World With Alex”

Week 1: August 16 - 20

Monday, Aug. 16 Hockey (Original Airdate: 10/14/04)
Tuesday, Aug 17 Sesame Street (Original Airdate: 04/04/06)
Wednesday, Aug. 18 The U.S. Air Force: USO Tour to Japan (Original Airdate: 09/27/07)
Thursday, Aug. 19 Machu Picchu (Original Airdate: 11/06/07)
Friday, Aug. 20 Niagara Falls (Original Airdate: 01/15/09)

Week 2: August 23 - 27

Monday, Aug. 23 Journey Through Israel (Original Airdate: 11/23/09)
Tuesday, Aug. 24 Galápagos Wildlife (Original Airdate: 12/09/09)
Wednesday, Aug. 25 Operatic Costumes: The Met (Original Airdate: 11/09/11)
Thursday, Aug. 26 Petra (Original Airdate: 11/14/11)
Friday, Aug. 27 National Museum of African American History and Culture (Original Airdate: 2/06/17)
Old 08-16-21 | 09:19 PM
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I'm not fully believing that the producers deciding to do a tie breaker because they want to preserve the flow of contestants. If that was true, they would not have change the total number of games a contestant can win from five to unlimited, because that also interrupts the flow of contestants. I think they wanted to reduce the chances in two or more contestants from working together to get the same score each game so that they would never lose and continue to win money every game and never leave the show.
Old 08-16-21 | 10:58 PM
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I'm not fully believing that the producers deciding to do a tie breaker because they want to preserve the flow of contestants. If that was true, they would not have change the total number of games a contestant can win from five to unlimited, because that also interrupts the flow of contestants. I think they wanted to reduce the chances in two or more contestants from working together to get the same score each game so that they would never lose and continue to win money every game and never leave the show.
Um, check your math there. It's two new contestants every episode whether the third guy is just a two-time defending champion or Ken Jennings.

Okay, you could theoretically get a few more new contestants each season if you forcibly retired any 5-time champions. But as long as you are certain to rotate 50 new contestants in a week of shooting 25 episodes, you won't have to send contestants back home on their own expense without getting a chance to play. If you start getting ties, then some of those 50 contestants would get bumped.
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Um, check your math there. It's two new contestants every episode whether the third guy is just a two-time defending champion or Ken Jennings.

Okay, you could theoretically get a few more new contestants each season if you forcibly retired any 5-time champions. But as long as you are certain to rotate 50 new contestants in a week of shooting 25 episodes, you won't have to send contestants back home on their own expense without getting a chance to play. If you start getting ties, then some of those 50 contestants would get bumped.
Ken Jennings eliminated about fourteen contestants from the pool during his run. The new guy has already eliminated three.

Not sure what math you are using, but how are you coming up with twenty-five as the number of episodes they are filming in a week or fifty contestants per week?
Old 08-16-21 | 11:23 PM
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So it's the exact same two weeks of episodes that they showed starting December 2020.
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Not sure what math you are using, but how are you coming up with twenty-five as the number of episodes they are filming in a week or fifty contestants per week?
They shoot five episodes a day (one week's worth). I assume they usually shoot five days a week during the approximately 46 shooting days a year they film to make 230 new episodes per year.
5 x 5 x 2 = 50.
But it might be only four days of shooting. I am not sure about that. .

Edit : per Wikipedia they shoot only two days a week, every other week. So it's only 20 new contests per weekly shoot.
But again it's not about getting the most contestants possible on air, it's about knowing that the 20 ones that flew in for the week will all get a shot on camera.

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They shoot five episodes a day (one week's worth). I assume they usually shoot five days a week during the approximately 46 shooting days a year they film to make 230 new episodes per year.
5 x 5 x 2 = 50.
But it might be only four days of shooting. I am not sure about that. .

Edit : per Wikipedia they shoot only two days a week, every other week. So it's only 20 new contests per weekly shoot.
But again it's not about getting the most contestants possible on air, it's about knowing that the 20 ones that flew in for the week will all get a shot on camera.
I don't think they are worried about the cost of plane tickets and hotel costs if one of the contestants doesn't make it on the show during that week of taping. I think the thought process to change the rule started when a four day champ intentionally bet just enough so that the second place person would tie him if he got the question correct. After that tie, he turns to him and said something like "your welcome". They may have realized the potential for abuse with that rule after that.
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Aaaand he’s out…

Mike Richards Out as ‘Jeopardy!’ Host Amid Cascade of Scandals
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/mik...nesW_h9sRqYCQo

I think Jennings is the only option here, IMO…
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Aaaand he’s out…

Mike Richards Out as ‘Jeopardy!’ Host Amid Cascade of Scandals
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/mik...nesW_h9sRqYCQo

I think Jennings is the only option here, IMO…
He was my favourite, so I hope it happens.

Though I wonder if they'll go with Mayim, instead, since they were going to hire her, anyway. Hopefully not.
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He was my favourite, so I hope it happens.

Though I wonder if they'll go with Mayim, instead, since they were going to hire her, anyway. Hopefully not.
I think the job Mayim was given was perfect for her and it works great to branch out the franchise. I don’t think the main show is the right fit in the long run.

Putting Jennings in now seems like the safest move and that is what they need to do smooth this over. They don’t want all this drama.
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So any blowback on Her due to being an anti COVID vaccination opinioner?
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Aaaand he’s out…

Mike Richards Out as ‘Jeopardy!’ Host Amid Cascade of Scandals
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/mik...nesW_h9sRqYCQo

I think Jennings is the only option here, IMO…
I'm glad he's out. He came off as being really sleazy and unethical. I'd prefer Ken Jennings over the rest. I also thought Joe Buck would be a decent replacement as well even though I never heard of him before he was guest host. I was hoping Levar would be a good option as well, but he seemed to be a little stiff on his episodes. He may have done better if he had another week of episodes like the others had.
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You never heard of Joe Buck?


Also Richards is still in as EP.


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