Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

I've watched a LOT of final seasons, in my time. From Cheers, Twin Peaks, Seinfield, Buffy, and The Sopranos. I can't remember a show. Having such a strong final season. The cynic in me, says "they can't keep up this amazing run". Yet, I believe, this may be the best, final run of episodes, I've ever seen. I can't believe, there is only Two episodes left.

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

Wow! What an amazing episode. So many crazy intense scenes.

Can anyone thing of another episode of a TV show that couldn't run their opening credits until the 25 minute mark? Obviously they want to have names going during scenes they won't detract from and the Walt rolling the barrel montage was the first chance.

I've hated Walter White since season 1, so I really appreciate how much the show is able to get me emotional involved with him. I truely felt how gut wrentching it was to plead for Hank's life and fail, and I know those were real tears of pain when he made that phone call to Skylar, knowing it is the last time he will ever speak to his family and he can't say he loves them, but has to threaten them. Really rough stuff.

I've never bought the excuse that Walt's crimes are justified because he was doing it for his family. As far as I can see, if Walt died six months after his first diagnosis and never started any of this meth business, his family would have been fine. Skylar and Finn wouldn't have been out on the street eating from dumpsters. It would have been hard but they could have taken care of themselves. They even had family like Hank and Marie who would have taken them in and done so much to help them. Walt was just a fucking pig; all these people having to die, including children, so his family could have millions of dollars. What a pathetic legacy to leave behind.

A couple months after the dust settles, I can't wait to go back rewatch the series from the beginning, as I've only seen each episode once. I can't think of better show than Breaking Bad, in all these years it has never once let me down. I'm excited as much as I dread the end.

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

IMO, you cant really compare TV from the 80s or 90s to TV today. Some shows from the last 5 or so years have set an entire new standard in quality of TV.

I believe Sopranos and even Lost (with the exception of the train wreck of the final episode) is on par with BB.

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

I'm in no way shape or form rooting for Walt. He's done a lot of bad shit, but as you and others have said, he made the phone call to help his family. He's never going to see them again at this point, but it pretty much helped put Skyler in the clear of his actions. He's an evil and arrogant man, but he does care about his family. He begged and pleaded for Hank's life and once the trigger was pulled, I think it really hit close to home that his evil actions have consequences. At least now they can move on free without his dark past hindering their future.

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

Cheers had a great final season but the type of show it was is totally different of course. I would argue that The Shield's final season was an excellent culmination of all that came before it, but this is very close to dethroning it.

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

Oh come on...really? The final season of Dexter is better written, more tense, more surprising more shocking better acted and better directed. Clearly anyone can see that.............................


Just kidding these episodes have been ridiculously good. Easily the best final season I have ever seen. And I don't expect a dip in quality with the final 2 at all. I actually pause just to say "wow". Often

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

Sometimes I wonder how people come to interpret some things they see. First of all, he didnt take Holly to make sure the police were there. He ALREADY KNEW the police would be there when Walt Jr. called them right in front of him. Like I said in my previous posts, all Walt cared about was family. When he saw how his son and wife turned against him he took Holly. He did this because she was his only family he had left that didnt betray him. To me this seemed pretty clear. Notice the scene in the bathroom when Holly started calling out for her mother. That is when he decided to give her back.

LOL, why am I getting mad when I see people are not rooting for Walt? IMO, the only real evil thing he has done was letting Jane die. Poisoning Brock was bad, but I wouldnt say evil. He knew just how much to give him and knew he would recover.

I would agree his crimes are not justified because he was doing it for his family but you have to put yourself in his position. If you were terminally ill and had a family and knew of a way to make sure they wouldn't have to struggle when you go wouldn't you take advantage of that? Which children died because of Walt? In the beginning, he came to an exact number (something like 700k) to leave his family, NOT millions. He only continued to cook because he was stuck with Gus. If I remember correctly, he tried to quit several times.

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

OK, I think my mouth actually fell agape at least three times during this episode. Intense. It also took me until about 3/4 of the way through Walt's call to Skylar that he was putting on a show to exonerate her. I did notice the pants in the desert, but didn't make the connection back to the pilot. I love touches like that.

The curious thing about the ending is that Walt chose to go with Saul's eraser-man deal, obviously intending to disappear for good. He wouldn't have used that service unless he intended to stay disappeared. And he would have just hidden out in some cheap motel if he was thinking of going after the gang at this point. So what is it that's going to change his mind and trigger his return? It has to be something posing a danger to his family.

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

I wonder if Hank will die on Under the Dome too. If so would that be the first actor to die on two shows on back to back days? As for all the recent quality shows Grantland refers to it as the golden age of television that started with The Sopranos.

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

Just the kid in the desert and the other hundred or so on those two airplanes.

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

Todd shot the kid in the desert and Janes father was the reason for the airplane crash.
What youre saying makes no sense. You might as well blame Jane for the airplane crash for being a heroin addict, overdosing and dying, and messing up her father so much that he caused the planes to crash. You can also blame whoever sold the heroin to her and Jesse. You can even blame Jesse for having a part in her relapse. See my point? If life worked the way you think it does, a lot of people would be held accountable for things they shouldnt be.

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

that was the most gut-wrenching episode of television I have ever seen and I loved every minute of it

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

Cooking well over 100mil of meth AFTER Gus was murdered (when there was no need for Walt to keep cooking) also might have a slight impact on some children - hard to say for sure though. At the end of the day, Walt's just a misunderstood guy put in some bad circumstances.

I do like how Jesse has become the "bad" guy in some people's eyes for turning in a drug dealer and mass murderer (what a dick!) so therefor killing him is justified. I mean it really is Jesse's fault Walt called in a hit team that eventually killed Gomez and Hank.

It's truly a credit to the writers that there are still some people who can't process how bad Walt is or view him as a somewhat tragic figure who is just a victim of some bad circumstances which led to a bad decision here or there which just snowballed.

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

Police are not going to be listening in to phone conversations for just a domestic dispute. A domestic dispute with a kidnapping is another thing entirely.

Your view could be what Gilligan intended because of the betrayal thing, but I do not see it that way. His family is always a fixable thing.

Evil Walt things: Jane, Mike, 9 potential testifying witnesses offed in jail, bombing a nursing home, Gail (even if Jesse pulled the trigger), Brock, the random dude he shot guarding the cleaners meth lab, making meth in the first place. The only shred of decency he has left is his love of his family, buy as was seen with Jesse that his limits too.

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

So youre saying Walt is evil for killing Mike, the testifying witnesses and Gail? These were all players. They dont count.

I've already commented on Brock and Jane. Bombing the nursing home didnt hurt anyone (at least none I remember them showing) except Gus and Salamanca .

Sorry, but I disagree. I believe he initially took Holly to hold onto whatever he had left of his family. Obviously he knew the poilce would be listening being that he kidnapped her. I thought it was pretty obvious he intended on keeping her UNTIL she started crying out for her mother...then he came to his senses.

I've watched this entire series twice. I cannot call Walt evil. He's a man in a bad spot that does bad things for the good of his family. There were a few instances when he could've possibly turned full blown evil like after Todd shot the kid in the desert and Walt was whistling when cooking meth with Jesse like nothing ever happened, but I dont think he ever really "got there".

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

The only show whose final season I would put in the same league is The Shield. Two words - "Family Meeting"

The Shield and Breaking Bad are always my answers when people talking about the best shows ever so I am biased.

BTW, I'm a few episodes behind on Dexter and am disheartened to hear how it seems to be a sub-par season (thanks for the spoiler that Hannah is coming back BTW)...

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention ;)

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

Series set is up for pre-order for only 225 bucks. Yikes!

I hope that barrel comes with some money it in to offset the cost.

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

Walt had an easy out in season two. His cancer was in remission and he had cooked a huge batch with Jesse. But he wasn't satisfied and when he saw other people buying meth supplies at Home Depot he flipped back into Heisenberg mode and told them to stay out of his territory.

This whole show is about Walt's wounded ego for walking out on Gray Matter for stupid reasons and wanting to build soap empire of his own.

Speaking of wounds, did anyone else notice Jesse's half jacked, half normal face, mirroring Gus's half face and the burned bear?

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

I think Walt will save Jesse in the shootout with Todd's crew and then they will have a final scene of sorts together with Walt ultimately taking the ricin to kill himself and the "happy ending" will be Jesse being with Andrea and Brock as he moves on with life.

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

I thought it was some form of respect, but then again these assholes came with their own shovel. They had planned to rip off Walt from the beginning. Why show any honor among thieves now? I'm surprised that they just didn't kidnap Walt and kill Jesse. 80 million is a drop in the bucket compared to the coin they could make if they learn Walt's recipe.

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

It's been a great season but think you mean the "series" set. :D

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

That shovel was probably just for Jesse buryin'.

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

I thought the shovel came from Hank's car.

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13
 

Wasn't the shovel in Hank's truck?