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Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

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Old 09-17-13 | 03:15 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

Skinny Pete live tweeted this episode for EW.
Old 09-17-13 | 03:55 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

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We can assume that his cancer goes into remission as he has hair in the flash forward.
I think that means we can assume that he stopped his chemo, not that he is in remission.
Old 09-17-13 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by mhg83
What about Marie? I doubt she would keep quiet about Skylar's involvement at this point. She's just as responsible for Hank's Death as Walt is.
Marie intensely hates Walt, and she heard his phone call. She may easily buy that Schyler was forced into doing what she did.
Old 09-17-13 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Goat3001
Badger and Skinny Pete are undercover DEA agents.
Wait, when did Kurt Sutter start working on the show?
Old 09-17-13 | 06:42 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

Originally Posted by Double_Oh_7
Marie intensely hates Walt, and she heard his phone call. She may easily buy that Schyler was forced into doing what she did.
Probably will support the family as you said, which is exactly another thing Walt probably wanted. I wonder how much Hank told Marie about Walt past the Meth. For example, I wonder if she has any clue about the prison murders.
Old 09-17-13 | 07:57 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

Originally Posted by Draven
Nope. You make a decision, you deal with the consequences. Jessie has had moments but he could have also walked away many times and chose not to. And neither have really done anything "good" - they tend to just try to make bad situations a little better for themselves.

I think he's in over his head but again, if you don't do illegal stuff you probably won't find yourself making meth while chained up in a Nazi compound.
Atonement, redemption, those aren't made up words. That's fine if you have no sympathy for the characters. I do. As immoral as cooking meth is, the only reason they made money from it was demand. The free "black" market at its best. The idea of free will is gone from the customer side is bs. There's plenty of blame to go around. For one, the drug war is a losing battle. Just ask Hank. Oh wait, he's dead.
Old 09-17-13 | 08:28 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

Something else noticeable in the scene where Walt leaves Holly in the fire truck is that some of the firefighters inside the fire station were playing chess, which is the most well-known game of strategy. I think this is foreshadowing that Walt is now busy forming his strategy and setting up his future moves - moves which will unfold as the final 2 episodes of the series.
Old 09-17-13 | 08:34 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

Originally Posted by Goat3001
Badger and Skinny Pete are undercover DEA agents.
I like it! It would give reason to all of their irreverence.
Old 09-18-13 | 12:46 AM
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Wondering.... why is the show ending? People want to move on? I think they could have easily done 2-3 more seasons. Why decide to end it now?
Old 09-18-13 | 12:53 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

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Wondering.... why is the show ending? People want to move on? I think they could have easily done 2-3 more seasons. Why decide to end it now?
Because they are smart. How many shows dragged on for an extra 2 or 3 seasons and ended up going out on a low note (Weeds and Dexter for example).
Old 09-18-13 | 01:38 AM
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Because they are smart. How many shows dragged on for an extra 2 or 3 seasons and ended up going out on a low note (Weeds and Dexter for example).
I think Dexter lost it's touch, but it's still a good show. Looking foward to how it ends.
Old 09-18-13 | 06:38 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

No, Dexter is not a good show. It's bad. very very bad. it's a bad show that took a shit all over the carpet.

Breaking Bad is ending because the creators want to end it. Why push for stories it doesn't need to have?
Old 09-18-13 | 07:07 AM
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I think Dexter lost it's touch, but it's still a good show. Looking foward to how it ends.
This is sarcasm right?

Not that Dexter was ever as effective as Breaking Bad, but it is a great example of a good show falling off of a cliff.
Old 09-18-13 | 07:11 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

My favorite piece of the show was the "I saw Jane Die" reveal to Jesse. Like everyone else, I had been waiting nearly 4 seasons for that and it came at the perfect moment for the final twist of the knife. I was cheering my TV when those words left Walt's lips and hit Jesse's disbelieving ears.
Old 09-18-13 | 07:15 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

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This is sarcasm right?

Not that Dexter was ever as effective as Breaking Bad, but it is a great example of a good show falling off of a cliff.
You're kind of comparing peas and carrots with these two shows.

No sarcasm. It didn't completely fall apart as far as mood and a character study.

A great example of a good show falling off a cliff was Nip/Tuck.
Old 09-18-13 | 07:34 AM
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I'm also firmly in the camp of "Dexter has not only fallen off the cliff, but it's broken corpse is twitching on the rocks below." That show is a complete joke at this point.
Old 09-18-13 | 07:58 AM
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I'm also firmly in the camp of "Dexter has not only fallen off the cliff, but it's broken corpse is twitching on the rocks below." That show is a complete joke at this point.
So why are you watching it, out of some sort of strange obligation to do so?
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So why are you watching it, out of some sort of strange obligation to do so?
Inertia primarily. And curiosity about how it ends.

Dexter was pretty great in the first 2-3 seasons, but it has degraded over time, and this last season was completely phoned in.
Old 09-18-13 | 08:39 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

finishing dexter to just "complete" the series
finishing breakin bad becuase it's a freaking masterpiece...
Old 09-18-13 | 08:45 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

Originally Posted by mphtrilogy
finishing dexter to just "complete" the series
finishing breakin bad becuase it's a freaking masterpiece...
Hey, that's what I say too...!
Old 09-18-13 | 08:59 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

Originally Posted by CaptainMarvel
Inertia primarily. And curiosity about how it ends.

Dexter was pretty great in the first 2-3 seasons, but it has degraded over time, and this last season was completely phoned in.
Probably watching the finale would suffice. I've given up a lot of shows I liked that started out really good but turned to crap.

The Vogel character was a nice touch. And I liked Zack a lot. But Saxton has been a disappointment, as if it was an afterthought. Not a great season, but I like the characters enough and knowing this was the last season made the decision easier to watch. Had they announced more seasons, I admit I wouldn't watch them.

The main problem with Dexter, for me, was always the supporting characters and their subplots, as if we really cared, i.e. Quinn with his stripper girlfriend, Masuka having a daughter, and countless other examples that had nothing to do with Dexter. It's not that those stories weren't okay to watch, but they were distractions that limited where Dexter could have gone as a show. A more character-driven show would have made it a better show. Plus Dexter getting away with his actions over and over led me to believe the show would never punish the title character. Perhaps the finale will surprise me/us.

With Breaking Bad, there's never a dull moment. Every character and action seems important. It never meandered. The perfect example of a character-driven show. It's sad to see it go, but I'm glad it's ending on such a strong mark (at least so far). I already want to watch the whole series all over again, and I can say that about very few dramas, if any at all.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

Originally Posted by dhmac
Something else noticeable in the scene where Walt leaves Holly in the fire truck is that some of the firefighters inside the fire station were playing chess, which is the most well-known game of strategy. I think this is foreshadowing that Walt is now busy forming his strategy and setting up his future moves - moves which will unfold as the final 2 episodes of the series.
The white king was pretty close to being checked.
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Originally Posted by Jack Straw
My favorite piece of the show was the "I saw Jane Die" reveal to Jesse. Like everyone else, I had been waiting nearly 4 seasons for that and it came at the perfect moment for the final twist of the knife. I was cheering my TV when those words left Walt's lips and hit Jesse's disbelieving ears.
I wonder who said it. Was it Walt, or was it Heisenberg? This show has seen the evolution of Walt into Heisenberg, but I think Heisenberg died with Hank.

Walt saw Jesse as a drug-addict screwup. Heisenberg saw Jesse as a son. If Heisenberg is gone, and all that is left is Walter White, it makes sense that he is back to seeing Jesse as a drug-addict screw up again, giving him a reason to really twist that knife.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

Originally Posted by RoyalTea
I wonder who said it. Was it Walt, or was it Heisenberg? This show has seen the evolution of Walt into Heisenberg, but I think Heisenberg died with Hank.

Walt saw Jesse as a drug-addict screwup. Heisenberg saw Jesse as a son. If Heisenberg is gone, and all that is left is Walter White, it makes sense that he is back to seeing Jesse as a drug-addict screw up again, giving him a reason to really twist that knife.
I can see that, but I think it had more with Walt having nothing but complete hatred for Jesse. Walt was always conflicted about Jesse. They had a love/hate relationship of sorts. It's all hate now.

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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

Originally Posted by Brack
I can see that, but I think it had more with Walt having nothing but complete hatred for Jesse. Walt was always conflicted about Jesse. They had a love/hate relationship of sorts. It's all hate now.
That's a shame. One of the most powerful moments in the series was when Walt Jr. puts a drunken Walt to bed and Walt calls him Jesse. I suppose it says something about the fact that, for all that he came to see Jesse as a kind of son, that bond was superficial and ultimately fragile. It makes me wonder if ultimately it will be Walt Jr. that somehow draws Walt back to Albequerque with his giant gun.


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