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Old 09-16-13, 03:31 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

Everyone seems to gloss over the fact that his former partner offered to pay his medical and likely set up his family after he was gone, but due to his pride Walt said "no". So therefore, Walt is entirely responsible and guilty for all the damage he was wrought on others.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

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Easily the best episode of the series. I keep wondering how they are ever going to locate Hank/Gomez as they towed out both of their vehicles. Unless someone talks, they never will.
How far away was Walt's car when it ran out of gas. Perhaps his GPS has some kind of memory in it?
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Good writers can make you root for the bad guy; Tony Soprano, Vic Mackey, etc... and I have to admit that as evil as Walt got over this last season I still rooted for him and loved whenever he went "Heisenberg" on someone ("Say my name."). What turned him in my mind was not all the ego trips, drugs, or even the killings. It was a simple nod. After Todd stopped the Nazi from shooting Jessie right there and told them he could get the info out of him, and then kill him. That last nod condemned Jessie (as far as Walt knew) to be horribly tortured to death. For me that was a step too far.
I'm thinking after the second nod and the confession, that Walt in those few seconds knew what Todd wanted. I think the confession to Jesse was a way of possibly using Jesse as a means of suicide. Walt is to much of a coward to off himself (with the ricin, gun, etc), but he doesn't want to waste away from cancer. Or, it could be a way of Walt showing Jesse how much of a numb-nut he truly is and how easily used he is.

Walt may attempt to free Jesse and hope that Jesse will still off him in the end. I am cool with that as long as Jesse ends up doing tons of time in prison. This show will be shit in my eyes if Jesse walks without impending doom staring him in the face.
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I said the same thing after The Shield ended and then we got Breaking Bad
The Shield is probably the one show that kept my interest high and I put it's finale only behind Six Feet Under. The Wire's last season was very good but something about the ending always struck a wrong cord with me, as if the show wasn't really ready to go off the air. I wish they would have had the talked about 6th season with the concept of illegal immigrants and gangs moving into the city.

I know a lot of people love the Sopranos but the last two seasons really didn't do much for me. Then again I think a lot of HBOs shows would have been included in the "best of" discussion if they had stuck with them longer. Rome and Deadwood come to mind.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

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Yup, the barrel was definitely in the vehicle.

One other thing I'd kind of like to see is, while Walt is still "in hiding" or whatever, he actually SEES some meth heads; men, women, teens, etc. and how their lives are destroyed by the drug. He already knows what he's done to people, but it'd be nice for him to get one more reminder of just how many lives are affected by it all. I can't remember how much interaction he's had with plain old users, but he should see what the true cost of his "empire" really is.

Again, I don't think that'll happen, as there's not enough time in the next two episodes... but it'd be a nice "full circle" sort of thing. Wasn't the Grey Matter company all about saving people?
So, he is supposed to care about people that don't care about themselves? When are we going to stop feeling sorry for adults that don't value their own lives?
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http://www.slashfilm.com/10-things-w...13-ozymandias/

and we see Skyler packing up the hideous crying clown in the flashback as well

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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

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So, he is supposed to care about people that don't care about themselves? When are we going to stop feeling sorry for adults that don't value their own lives?
Nope, but his product enables them, just like any other. My point was that he hasn't really SEEN any of that side of the business in great detail. I just think he should, so he knows what he was really a part of, that's all.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

I had to watch the episode again to be able to absorb all of the shit that went down. The one thing that didn't sit right was the Jane admission; it just felt like fan service. There's nothing wrong with fan service, but I think it could have been done a little more naturally, and perhaps a little sooner. I'm not sure how else to explain it. That was a VERY minor nitpick, though, and this episode is definitely one of the best episodes of TV I've seen in a very long time. It totally erases memories of "Fly" .
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

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I'm thinking after the second nod and the confession, that Walt in those few seconds knew what Todd wanted. I think the confession to Jesse was a way of possibly using Jesse as a means of suicide. Walt is to much of a coward to off himself (with the ricin, gun, etc), but he doesn't want to waste away from cancer. Or, it could be a way of Walt showing Jesse how much of a numb-nut he truly is and how easily used he is.

Walt may attempt to free Jesse and hope that Jesse will still off him in the end. I am cool with that as long as Jesse ends up doing tons of time in prison. This show will be shit in my eyes if Jesse walks without impending doom staring him in the face.
That's the thing though. He had no idea Todd was going to keep him alive to cook. When he nodded he believed that Jessie was being dragged away to be tortured and then murdered. Jessie believed that too, Todd said exactly that to both of them. Walt telling Jessie about the OD was just another form of torture before death, nothing more. I think Walt will be very surprised when he learns Jessie is still alive.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

Originally Posted by DeputyDave View Post
That's the thing though. He had no idea Todd was going to keep him alive to cook. When he nodded he believed that Jessie was being dragged away to be tortured and then murdered. Jessie believed that too, Todd said exactly that to both of them. Walt telling Jessie about the OD was just another form of torture before death, nothing more. I think Walt will be very surprised when he learns Jessie is still alive.
Agreed.

Walt wants Jesse dead, and telling him about Jane was just a sadistic add-on...
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

I would need to rewatch the episode again, but the way I see it Walt just lost a family member. He was going to give up all his money to save his life. And he blames Jesse of that. So yeah, if before that he wanted Jesse to be dead just because he said he was going to attack his family, he now wanted Jesse to really suffer. Mentioning the Jane incident was part of his revenge.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

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Saul's guy better be David Cross
my sister were talking about he spinoff and thought it would be great if they could work him into it somehow.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

I know this is a real long shot, but anyone think that Jesse will be the one to kill Walt? People always said this show is the journey of how a Scarface-type person is created. Maybe it's actually Jesse's story of how he finally breaks bad and becomes the new "Scarface?"

...actually, typing this out made me realize how stupid this theory is. Carry on!
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

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I know this is a real long shot, but anyone think that Jesse will be the one to kill Walt? People always said this show is the journey of how a Scarface-type person is created. Maybe it's actually Jesse's story of how he finally breaks bad and becomes the new "Scarface?"

...actually, typing this out made me realize how stupid this theory is. Carry on!
Hey now, don't be so hard on yourself. There are no stupid theories, only stupid posters.

But seriously, I think there is a good chance Jessie kills Walt. More than likely in fact.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

It seems to me the big question from here is this:

Walt is out. Skyler probably isn't in huge legal trouble because anything the police solidly know doesn't implicate her and everything they suspect will be damned hard to prove without Walt. Hank, Gomez, or Jesse. It's certainly very possible that the feds will use a civil seizure of the car wash to punish her and make things right, but so what? That's getting off light.

Some event has to transpire in the next episode to get us to the start of the scene with the eggs/bacon/huge gun. Do the nazis go after and take out some of his family? Does he learn something is up with Jesse? Those are pretty much the only two things I can think of that would lead us down the road to Walt ever coming back...
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

Jesse confessed the tape he made was at Hank's, right? Who else do you think will be there? Marie, Sk-high-lurrrr, Jr, and Holly. If that's the case, I'd expect a few of them to take a trip to Belize. Bam. Perfect fuel for new-Walt's revenge trip back home.

Jesse's been breaking bad, no reason to think he isn't capable of killing Walt.

I'd almost guarantee that Walt storms the Aryan compound, takes most/all of them out, somehow Jesse is freed and he kills Walt, who won't even see it coming. Just like how Tony Montana went out.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

islandclaws,

There are a few problems with that narrative that need to be addressed, but I think it's sound generally. What triggers the few month gap between now and when Walt comes to take care of business? Does Marie do some cleaning and find the confession? Do she and a newly impoverished Skyler contact Saul to try to arrange some extortion money?

More than that, what's the ricin for? A poisoning is an intimate killing. It's sort of like a stabbing that way. I can see how Walt could externalize it all going wrong to Lydia. I can almost see how he'd use the Ricin to kill Jesse after spurring Jesse to kill him, thus ending the cycle in poetic fashion (WW would approve). I don't see it as something he'd use on Skyler, Marie, or Flynn (though Flynn deserves it for that asshole name).

Finally, who trashes the house and under what circumstances? Is that a red herring we've been reading too much into?
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

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Hey now, don't be so hard on yourself. There are no stupid theories, only stupid posters.

But seriously, I think there is a good chance Jessie kills Walt. More than likely in fact.
Haha thanks

But I think something has to happen with Brock and/or his mother, which -combined with finding out about Jane- will cause Jesse to break completely and become the last man standing. Maybe this whole show is really about how Jesse becomes the "real" Heisenberg?


...again, typing this stuff out makes me realize how unrealistic it is
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

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That's the thing though. He had no idea Todd was going to keep him alive to cook.
Lydia already told Walt that they can't make it as pure as him. He knows Jesse can cook. He laid on the ground for a long time while they dug up those barrels. When Todd stepped in, I can easily see Walt understanding what Todd truly wanted. The writers already said they foreshadow everything. Plus, Hank said Walt was "the smartest person I know." Look at Walt's face during that scene, he was in full blown Heisenberg mode. He was grinding gears.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Ozymandias" -- 9/15/13

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Everyone seems to gloss over the fact that his former partner offered to pay his medical and likely set up his family after he was gone, but due to his pride Walt said "no". So therefore, Walt is entirely responsible and guilty for all the damage he was wrought on others.
I thought that was always understood and one of the main points of the show.

Maybe no one else thought that though........
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Lydia already told Walt that they can't make it as pure as him. He knows Jesse can cook. He laid on the ground for a long time while they dug up those barrels. When Todd stepped in, I can easily see Walt understanding what Todd truly wanted. The writers already said they foreshadow everything. Plus, Hank said Walt was "the smartest person I know." Look at Walt's face during that scene, he was in full blown Heisenberg mode. He was grinding gears.
I'm sorry, I don't buy it. Walt thought Jessie was going to his death, otherwise what was the point of the OD confession?
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I'm sorry, I don't buy it. Walt thought Jessie was going to his death, otherwise what was the point of the OD confession?
To make Jesse want to kill Walt. Suicide by Jesse.

EDIT: Walt knows/thinks Todd is going to use him to cook, not just interrogate and execute him.
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That sounds insanely convoluted, even for a Heisenberg plan.

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