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Old 05-14-12, 10:33 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

Originally Posted by Pharoh View Post
Okay, I didn't remember that, but my question is what do the Iron Born know of his penchant for walnuts?

And I have to admit, I didn't even see at first they were walnuts.
Theon lived with them for years, he would have known. The better question is how his 2nd knew (what is his name?). He's the one who was obviously behind the whole "plot".
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See and I thought this was ham fisted and obvious. The heart to heart all the while with the kid inching closer and closer. I was all "Just choke him out already!" I thought that was way too stretched out for the obvious conclusion.
You had an idea what was coming, but to me it was still a shocking scene nonetheless. It also showed how depraved JAime is and I don't think we've seen how viscous he is up until now (besides banging his sister and throwing Bran out of the window, that is. ).
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

I'm guessing that maybe there was a deleted scene where the trackers kept finding walnut shells, and made the association.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

These threads are so dangerous; a banning around every corner it sometimes seems. That's why I changed my sig. Just in case one of my guesses is too close to the book.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

Originally Posted by CRM114 View Post
You had an idea what was coming, but to me it was still a shocking scene nonetheless. It also showed how depraved JAime is and I don't think we've seen how viscous he is up until now (besides banging his sister and throwing Bran out of the window, that is. ).
When alton talked about squiring for Jamie was the greatest moment of his life, and will remember it on his death bed or whatever.. I was thinking oh he is going to get it,.
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I'm guessing that maybe there was a deleted scene where the trackers kept finding walnut shells, and made the association.
Now I am more confused. Didn't Bran say they couldn't go there? I thought they in fact did not travel to the farm.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

Originally Posted by Pharoh View Post
Now I am more confused. Didn't Bran say they couldn't go there? I thought they in fact did not travel to the farm.
The ending would imply that they did travel to the farm but we really don't know for certain Pharoh.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

Originally Posted by Pharoh View Post
Now I am more confused. Didn't Bran say they couldn't go there? I thought they in fact did not travel to the farm.
That's what I initially thought, but then Osha said 'We had a good start on them, but we can't outrun hounds forever," leaving it open as to whether they would go to the farm or not.
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That's what I initially thought, but then Osha said 'We had a good start on them, but we can't outrun hounds forever," leaving it open as to whether they would go to the farm or not.
Maybe they bypassed the farm, but have been inadvertently leaving walnut shells like a trial of breadcrumbs for the trackers. The trackers reach the farm, torture those living on the farm thinking they must be abetting Bran, his brother, Osha, and the giant. They kill all of them out of frustration and hatch the plan to burn the two kids there, to later display them at Winterfell?

Thos.
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me thinks
Spoiler:
those were the bodies of Jack and Billy (the two orphans) but I am aware anything can happen in this story
I think it was beyond obvious that that is the case. Surprised to see so many people believing it is actually the Stark boys. I haven't read the books.

BTW, to those that have read the books, was Jaime's escape written the same way? I thought it was pretty ludicrous.

Really, really want to see what happens with Jon Snow.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

The escape did seem kind of pointless. One scene he is escaping and the next he is caught again by the same people.
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The escape did seem kind of pointless. One scene he is escaping and the next he is caught again by the same people.
It wasn't pointless, it's getting all of the Stark soldier's riled up, wanting to kill him. I just thought the execution of the escape (and the moments leading up to it) were handled terribly. Seemed really unbelievable that the guard would be that stupid, and that no one else would be around to notice it going on.
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It wasn't pointless, it's getting all of the Stark soldier's riled up, wanting to kill him. I just thought the execution of the escape (and the moments leading up to it) were handled terribly. Seemed really unbelievable that the guard would be that stupid, and that no one else would be around to notice it going on.
I would think that, with all of the men at the camp, they would have more than one guard on their highest value prisoner. Especially when they put another prisoner in with him.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

Originally Posted by flashburn View Post
BTW, to those that have read the books, was Jaime's escape written the same way? I thought it was pretty ludicrous.
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No
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Originally Posted by Thos19 View Post
Maybe they bypassed the farm, but have been inadvertently leaving walnut shells like a trial of breadcrumbs for the trackers. The trackers reach the farm, torture those living on the farm thinking they must be abetting Bran, his brother, Osha, and the giant. They kill all of them out of frustration and hatch the plan to burn the two kids there, to later display them at Winterfell?

Thos.
Everybody seems to be overlooking the obvious answer. Osha and Bran probably planted the walnut shells near the farmhouse in the hopes that Theon would mistakenly kill the orphans and they'd get away scot free.



No?
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

I know you were joking but Bran did say they should avoid the farm so they did not get innocent people hung.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Everybody seems to be overlooking the obvious answer. Osha and Bran probably planted the walnut shells near the farmhouse in the hopes that Theon would mistakenly kill the orphans and they'd get away scot free.



No?
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Jaime dispatching the Frey kid. Didn't see that coming.
That wasn't a Frey; Jaime killed his cousin, Alton Lannister, son of the only fat Lannister.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Spoiler:
No
Can you give some details about how it was handled in the book? Unless it spoils things we haven't seen yet in the show.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

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Can you give some details about how it was handled in the book? Unless it spoils things we haven't seen yet in the show.
I don't think this will spoil anything in the show...

Spoiler:
Basically, Tyrion sends some dudes to bust Jaime out. They are discovered, but Jaime manages to kill a bunch of other guys in the process of being recaptured. The net impact is the same: many of Robb's bannermen are clamoring for Jaime's head.

The reason they couldn't do this on the show:

Spoiler:
In the book, Jaime is being held in a castle, not traveling as part of Robb's camp.
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The first season was so much better ...
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Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
I don't think this will spoil anything in the show...
I think the book's scenario played out better than what we saw last night but it is what it is.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12

I think with all these questions about who did what and walnuts and showing this and not showing that it all points to one glaring thing:

Cramming all this content into 10 episodes is a detriment to the show.

Jamie's escape was stupid. It felt like they took him out to kick around for the guards death while the sun came up. Not that he got away, was hunted, and caught.
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I think it was beyond obvious that that is the case. Surprised to see so many people believing it is actually the Stark boys. I haven't read the books.
Who believes it was the Stark boys?

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