This was better than any episode from the first half, imo. Hope this second half continues to impress

Maybe, but he's not misunderstood. He's the one night stand asshole that won't quit calling.

He does things his way and gets results. It's just a matter of whether the other characters can live with "his way." Sure he saved Carl by bringing back the meds, but was sacrificing Otis the best way to do that?

That pretty much sums up the point I was making earlier. Also the subtext of Rick wearing his uniform and what happened with Sophia is putting Rick on Shane's path, to a degree. Rick, however, does have way more in common with Herschel than Shane at this point.

Additionally, I don't hear/see the dialog problems everyone else is complaining about. This ain't Shakespeare, nor do I expect it to be. Is it rough in some spots? Yes, but find a show that isn't from time to time.

Are you telling me that if you were in Shane's place, you wouldn't sacrifice Otis - a virtual stranger - in order to save your own ass? Really?

Not to mention the fact that stupid Lori is going to be taken in by Mr. Righteous himself about Shane sacrificing Otis = hello, Lori - if Shane didn't do what he did, your son would be DEAD! Sometimes you gotta sacrifice people for the greater good. Shane's greater good was #1: himself; #2: Carl

Glad I'm not alone.

don't forget the attempted sexual assault at the CDC. Shane's character is beyond rehabilitation IMO.

in that regard, yeah - Shane just needs to get with Andrea and forget about Lori.

If anybody needs to be fucked three ways to Sunday on this show, it's Andrea.

Only if the fetus is dead or there's proof the kid isn't Shane's will he stop hounding Lori. I don't see how Rick wouldn't agree with Shane's lie to bring her back to the farm. I would have done the same.

Add to that the fact that she totally believed Dale about Otis. First of all it's sort of weird how Dale magically figured that out, and then Lori automatically believes him.

This is like what others were saying about Kim and Teri on 24....terrible moments in an otherwise good second half.

I never thought it was believable in the first place that Dale "sensed" Shane had killed off Otis. The writers like using leaps of logic on this show to get where they want the story to be, which is the mark of a show that needs better story planning.

I thought this was a good episode other than Glen's weird behavior. I did not buy any of his emotional responses and the lame reasons he came up with to justify his actions.

Depends on who Glen was prior to this. If he was always looked down upon as 'the kid' or whatnot, I can see how being respected by the 'adults' in this new world as something he likes.

Glen was pretty badass shooting zombies in the FOREHEAD and NECK with a shotgun from 50 yards away.

While screaming like a girl that he's running out of ammo and they need to leave the kid behind.

ain't that hard with 00 buck

Just keep shooting...eventually you'll get a hit!

I like Shane as well.

I don't think that Shane took advantage of Lori; I'm willing to bet that it was a mutual thing. I can understand Shane's conflicted view about Rick being back. I think his frustration comes from being relegated to second in command and not agreeing with Rick's decisions on how to handle the group. More than anything I think that Shane feels he can't protect Lori and Carl now because Rick is back. It's now Rick's job to take care of them and I think that Shane feels that Rick's not doing a good enough job.

I think that Shane's frustration with Lori comes from her attitude towards what happened between the two of them. She disregards what happened and acts self righteous about it. I think that he just wants some acknowledgement of what happened between them. I know that he cares about her and Carl but I'm betting that if she would have handled the situation differently it would be easier for Shane to move on.

As far as the situation with Otis, I think that they were both about to become lunch and Shane did what he had to do so that he and Carl could survive. Normal rules no longer apply and it's obvious that Shane's been struggling with the choice he made. He didn't necessarily do it because he's a bad person but he panicked and did what he thought he had to do to make it out. I think that when it came down to it a lot of people would probably come to the same conclusion as Shane.

I never really felt one way or another about Lori but after seeing this episode, I'm hoping she becomes lunch for a Walker.

That would have been AWESOME!!!

Mostly agree. I don't "like" Shane, per se, but I "get" the choices he has made, for the most part. Except trying to force himself on Lori at the CDC. But it does seem like he's getting crazier little by little as he is coming to realize that Lori is never going to choose him. It really seems like they are moving towards a Rick/Shane showdown by the end of the season. And it's fairly obvious that Rick would come out on top in that situation.

I don't like Shane, but his character makes sense in the context of the show. They need a "villain" to say and make the unpopular choices that people are thinking or have in the back of their mind.

I think that is pretty telling of his character. Just because the world is ending all of a sudden you become a rapist?? No that was always there...you seem to see that in almost every movie or show about when the law falls. No one is there to stop the bad people anymore so they just rape and pillage as they please. He was always a bad person.

Lori automatically believed Dale because she wanted to believe. The tide has turned in her regard for Shane, so any negative input regarding Shane from other people would automatically be believed by Lori because she wants him gone. Just...gone - any which way would do just fine.

Dale is acting like the righteous guy because, like all people, we can. We can, until a situation arises when we become the hypocrite that all people are. People judge other people - it's the nature of man, and Dale is, right now, placing judgement on Shane. Right or wrong, that's what he's doing, and it is pissing Shane off.

I wouldn't be surprised if Shane sets Dale up to die. By hook or crook, in a way that wouldn't lead back to Shane being responsible for it.

Problem is, Shane is under scrutiny by most of the camp, so even if Dale dies accidentally, Shane would still be under suspicion. It's a lose-lose situation for Shane.

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Regarding Rick - he wouldn't be alive now if he wasn't a cop. His police training enabled him to get the draw on that guy in the bar. If he was just Joe-Smoe, he'd be Chef-Boy-ar-zombie with meatballs.

They obviously stopped somewhere to deal with the guy's leg, so he doesn't end up bleeding out. It's not sloppy at all.

It makes me laugh that in the comic...

He's most definitely losing it as the show goes on but I think it has more to do with how completely fucked up things are in general.


While I'm not trying to defend what he was trying at the CDC I think that if he wanted to rape her he would have. I don't think that scratches to the face have stopped many rapes.

I don't "like" Shane as much as I like his watching the character on the show. I like the watching his character regress. He's a good counterpoint to Rick. To me it's as if Shane is living in reality and Rick is way too optimistic. I think that as time goes by Rick will become more desensitized. Shane's already there.