Game of Thrones -- "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things" -- 5/08/11
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things" -- 5/08/11
Bastards can be legitimized by the king, or a lord can appoint his bastard as heir.
Also, it's not true that bastards have no claim to succession. In the book, Cat's dislike of Jon is explained as her perceiving him as a threat to her children since it's not unheard of for a well-liked bastard to usurp the titles of his less popular half-siblings.
(And before Pinata jumps on me for spoilers, we're well past the point in the story where this would've been explained. It's a minor detail that the TV writers dropped.)
Also, it's not true that bastards have no claim to succession. In the book, Cat's dislike of Jon is explained as her perceiving him as a threat to her children since it's not unheard of for a well-liked bastard to usurp the titles of his less popular half-siblings.
(And before Pinata jumps on me for spoilers, we're well past the point in the story where this would've been explained. It's a minor detail that the TV writers dropped.)
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things" -- 5/08/11
Bastards can be legitimized by the king, or a lord can appoint his bastard as heir.
Also, it's not true that bastards have no claim to succession. In the book, Cat's dislike of Jon is explained as her perceiving him as a threat to her children since it's not unheard of for a well-liked bastard to usurp the titles of his less popular half-siblings.
(And before Pinata jumps on me for spoilers, we're well past the point in the story where this would've been explained. It's a minor detail that the TV writers dropped.)
Also, it's not true that bastards have no claim to succession. In the book, Cat's dislike of Jon is explained as her perceiving him as a threat to her children since it's not unheard of for a well-liked bastard to usurp the titles of his less popular half-siblings.
(And before Pinata jumps on me for spoilers, we're well past the point in the story where this would've been explained. It's a minor detail that the TV writers dropped.)
Spoiler:
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things" -- 5/08/11
Hence why they're sent out to The Wall to serve and die remotely to not be a threat.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things" -- 5/08/11
To anybody who has read the entire series or most of it, does that HBO just posted spoil anything past the first book? I looked at it but after seeing the legend was wary about how hard I should look at it since I'm only coming to the end of the first book.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things" -- 5/08/11
There are a few minor things, such as some of the direwolves have not been explicity named yet in the show, but they are named in the graphic etc.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things" -- 5/08/11
I don't think so, but there are some characters that aren't in the first book, I believe, so it's sort of a round about spoiler I suppose.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things" -- 5/08/11
Ok that's fine with me I just saw in the legend that there was a skull to represent like death or cause of death and didn't want to see that if it was something that happened in a later book. Thanks.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things" -- 5/08/11
I've gone through the Houses Graphic that I posted, and I swear it doesn't spoilerize anything that isn't/shouldn't be known? But I'll let others chime in as well.
There are a few minor things, such as some of the direwolves have not been explicity named yet in the show, but they are named in the graphic etc.
There are a few minor things, such as some of the direwolves have not been explicity named yet in the show, but they are named in the graphic etc.
Spoiler:
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things" -- 5/08/11
Yeah, those appear to be all things that happen prior to the current story, however, I'm not sure if they have all been revealed yet in the show. (sort of the question of how spoilerish learning about past events is I guess)
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things" -- 5/08/11
Ok yeah thanks, I couldn't remember. I think a few others haven't specifically been discussed, but still, not that 'spoilery'.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things" -- 5/08/11
And you can tell that all the deaths have happened before the start of GoT, because they don't have Lady's death in it.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things" -- 5/08/11
Yeah honestly..I think that graphic would along with the HBO viewer guide are two key pieces to help understand everything. I like the viewers guide because it has pictures..and I like that graphic, because it shows all the different relationships.
And you can tell that all the deaths have happened before the start of GoT, because they don't have Lady's death in it.
And you can tell that all the deaths have happened before the start of GoT, because they don't have Lady's death in it.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things" -- 5/08/11
Yeah true, I gave the wife a printed out the printed out cheat sheet, and she was thankful to keep a who's who in check. even though she is pretty spot on with everything (She knew who was who, when theon/Jon/Robb confusion has risen up)
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things" -- 5/08/11
Good interview with Brian Cogman, who was the writer/director of the last episode:
http://winter-is-coming.net/2011/05/...gman/#comments
He is termed the 'keeper of the mythos'. I can presume to that means he has to keep track of all the background stuff.
Another strange thing was that he got involved with GoT, because his wife was David's nanny (one of the show creators).
This guy looks like he is in his 30s...so yeah..that is strange.
http://winter-is-coming.net/2011/05/...gman/#comments
He is termed the 'keeper of the mythos'. I can presume to that means he has to keep track of all the background stuff.
Another strange thing was that he got involved with GoT, because his wife was David's nanny (one of the show creators).
This guy looks like he is in his 30s...so yeah..that is strange.
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