That's pretty hilarious that the one person who is willing to provide evidence to back up his posts is called a troll by the guy with the "cool new member" title. If you read through the thread you will see that I didn't say the HoH was rigged against Brenda, he said it was rigged for Matt since he has small feet. I never said that one piece of evidence proves something else. When asked about DR interference I provided proof. You seem to be skipping over or twisting some of my posts here.

I believe the reason I brought up the fake fight between Chima and Russ originally was to show that the DR was not playing fair. They knew 2 days before the fight was to happen and they let it go off like it was a real fight. It shows that DR is only interested in drama and not above airing fake "reality tv" for the sake of drama.

I never said they weren't making out, jeez some people here really only read what they want out of a post. 2 others mentioned that CBS had hinted at incest with the broadcast, I just said that there were a lot of people who think they are faking the relationship and actually twins. In subsequent posts I listed the sources of this info, Joker's updates and Britney, you know the person who is living with these 2 people right now. My only other comments about it were that I had not seen them actually kissing and it would be funny if they were faking it to cover up the real relationship they have.

As for you calling my additions to this topic "logic" I know it is out of context since you were being sarcastic but there is logic in my posts. You just gotta stop twisting what I said around to see it. Since you and a few others still think I am wrong for calling out BB for influencing the game I would just like to point out that Hayden, Brenda, Matt, Brit, Rachel and either Lane or Enzo have also called them out on it. Sounds logical that if many of the people in the house are complaining about DR interference that there might be some going on right? Just because a few of you don't want to believe the evidence, video and the update sites comments, doesn't mean they are not evidence.

I really think that in the future you need to learn the difference between a troll and a regular member of a forum who is backing up his posts with information before calling someone out like that. I really don't think you have contributed enough on this forum to do such a thing.

I understand how you feel about that fight. I watched it on the live feeds and couldn't believe my eyes and ears. Up until that fight I felt like such a fool for buying the live feeds because it had been so boring until then. The next day when I woke up and read the updates and discussion on Jokers they were all over the fight. When I checked out the flashback I felt like such a fool for believing the fight was real.

You can call it reasoning and context if you want but in the wake of video evidence to the contrary it only sounds like denial. Whether you want to accept that the fight was real or faked simply dismissing video evidence showing that they planned a fight to take place at the time it did, and for the events of the fight to unfold the way they did simply does not constitute acting like I am making up that they faked it. It was all over the sites that follow the show so it isn't like this wasn't a known issue last season. In fact if you google "russ and chima fake fight" 10 pages of results come back. No need to kill the messenger just because you dislike the message.

I am. Just because I am not going to watch the show doesn't mean I won't still be posting at the forum that I have been frequenting for over 10 years. It also doesn't mean that I can't comment on what I have seen thus far in the game. For me it is just a tv show so I can view it critically. Not sure why you want to make it out like all the evidence that leads to DR manipulation should be shrouded in this FUD you have posted. Why exactly do you only post FUD about my posts? Can you refute somehow either of these facts?

1. Rachel and Brenda going room to room counting how many items are used to make different things in the house. Later she asks Ragan to explain the hold/fold comp better. The next day the competition is the hold/fold comp and Brenda wins it.

2. Hayden saying that he knew evicting Annie was the right decision because during the first week DR kept trying to get him to evict Rachel.

I also googled "alien abductions" and got 10x the amount of results. Doesn't make those folks any less crazy.

Again....the video is out of context. I watched the show then. I know how it played out. They planned a fake fight, but didn't need to because they ended up having a real fight cause shit got twisted real quick with Russell and Chima, because of Michelle's input into the situation, which was the kickoff point to the fight but never figured into the "video evidence" of the entire thing being a work. Odd that. I think it's insane to believe they faked that fight and continued to fake hate each other for at least a month afterwards to no goal but TV time. TV time as a racist at that. I also think people that believe that are fooling themselves into some conspiracy theory. You think the reverse. Everyone is welcome to their opinions of course.

I brought up the google results because you stated:

I was attempting to show you that it was well known in the circles that follow big brother that the fight, however convincing to you, was faked.

The problem is that the video wasn't taken out of context. You have the same two people planning a fight, discussing what they will say and do and when they will do it. Then when that time comes they do it. It is not taking it out of context to believe that when two people plan something and do exactly what they planned when they planned it that it was a planned event. As to why they would have continued it for so long, we can only guess why they carried it on so long. It's really not much of a stretch though to assume DR might have been telling them about the amazing ratings the fight would produce. When you take into account that Matt has said DR told him they are producing the best ratings ever for BB and that Rachel said DR told her that America loves the "showmance" between her and Brenda it kinda goes right along with the idea that the DR might have been doing the same kind of stuff last season.

Honestly, who is fooling themselves here? Insane? Wouldn't it be more insane to believe they went through the trouble of planning a fake fight and then doing exactly what they planned but of course meaning it this time?

edit: I see you edited your comment after I had begun replying. It appears you really just added the bits about Michelle. As for her,she really did try to stir it up there and she thought of herself as a conniving little Matt. Too smart for the rest of them. Unfortunately she lacked any and all social skills so every time she made a move everyone was on to her. Honestly, Michelle was fun to watch, but not because of her game, it was more like watching the new guy in school trying to make friends. Kinda like looking at an accident on the road hoping to see the unfortunate results.

People with underlying animosity never start out "play-fighting" and have it go too far. Nope, never happens. Inconceivable. If it starts out a "play fight" it's all a play fight, including the play stabbing and shooting.

I checked it out. Most of what I saw were a handful of people on message boards saying it was faked and everyone else saying it wasn't. Same thing as here.

I always thought it was a real fight. I know they joked about fighting, but when it actually went down it ended up being real. They never worked together again. They never joked about it again. And they ended up pretty much being the ruination of each other in the house.

As for BB12, it looks like Andrew screwed himself at the veto meeting yesterday so he's probably history. It also looks like Hayden and Kristen will have to try on Thursday night b/c Brendon & Rachel are gunning for them now. I wouldn't be surprised if only the four of them and Ragan even try.

Because they can't say anything involving production or they would get sued and lose in court for Millions since discussing such matters violates their contracts. Ultimately thats why when you have the majority of contestants saying the Producers try to fix it for their favorites they usually have to be careful and tip toe around how they say it or they could get buried.

But aren't people saying houseguests are flat out saying the DR is trying to get them to vote or keep certain people? That's not exactly sidestepping in any way.

Also...that explanation runs completely counter the point that I was responding to. It was stated that the contestants not being sued by the producers shows that what they're saying is true. The above point is saying that they can't say anything at all. So which way does it go?

After being sick for the last few days I fell behind by 3 days on this. If I just delete them would I really miss anything?

Go ahead and erase them. I've been fast forwarding through most of them. Just a lot of pool playing and B/R nonsense.

Rachel and Brittney spent the entire night in the bathtub (sounds much better when I write it) trashing Kristen. The Brigade played pool and talked a little game. Supposedly, Andrew told Matt that he had information on a secret alliance and would only give the information up if Matt kept him in the game. The Brigade kept calling Andrew crazy, but at the same time they were getting paranoid, wondering what names he would throw out.

Thanks for the reply. I was sitting here thinking about fast forwarding through 9 hours of show and it wasn't sounding all that entertaining. This saves me quite a few hours. Thanks again.

This season is so boring the best thing we can come up with is arguing about stuff from last season.

I have a feeling it'll pick up a bit once someone FINALLY pulls the trigger on Brendan/Rachel and that whole drama kicks off.

I did love Matt talking to Kristen last night about getting rid of Brendan and then talking up all the ladies he'll be getting on the outside in front of Rachel since she'll be an unstable mess. (Course when he had the chance he was a giant pussy, so whatever.)

Houseguests inside the house are flat out calling the Producers on their stunts. It's outside in post show interviews where people are insuating it,sk8ing around it without flat out saying the show is rigged for legal reasons.

It makes sense because inside the house you can claim anything you said is for gameplay reasons to not be believed.

Brendon counting objects around the house definitely helped him win that veto. It's all perfectly clear now...in crazy land.

How dare you!

So what the hell happened between Rachel and Kristin after HoH? Why were they so pissed at each other?

I love how Rachel is on this "I want to get all the floaters out" crusade and then she votes out Andrew over Kathy.

Spoiler....Rachel is a fucking idiot.

I swear to god she actually 100% believes she is reliving her High School experience but this time with her tricked out body.

And the 2 people she trusts the most now are Brittney and Matt. The same 2 people she put on the block last week. She put Brittney on the block and voted her best friend out. She put Matt on the block and called him out as a snake in front of the entire house. She's decided that these 2 people are her strongest allies in the game. Your spoiler is correct...she is a fucking idiot.

Rachel is fast becoming one of the all-timers (in a bad way) on BB.

My favorite part is that I think she thinks she's pretty hot shit. Not in and of herself, but her actual gameplay. It's hilariously pathetic.

Sounds like Brendon laid some pipe in the HOH room last night. (At least that's the impression I get from Jokers...)

You sure it wasn't Rachel laying the pipe?